Bob-Roraback

Polyline solid problem in X12

Recommended Posts

I noticed today that if you create a polyline solid in plan view, it is fully editable in cross section view as it is supposed to be in X12.

If you create a polyline solid while in cross section view, it is not editable when in plan view as I believe it should be in X12.

Is anyone else getting this same result?

I submitted it to tech support.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good catch.  Easily reproducible.  Convert to Solid and it will be editable in plan though.  For what it's worth, bear in mind that once you edit a polyline solid's shape from any direction other that that of it's original extrusion, it's automatically converted to a solid and loses it's polyline and basic 2D extrusion properties anyway, so the conversion to a solid would happen regardless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Michael, yes, understood on the conversion to a solid. I stumbled upon this and a couple of other oddities while doing a post and beam plan.

Thank you for the input, Bob Roraback

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, builder said:

Hi Michael, yes, understood on the conversion to a solid. I stumbled upon this and a couple of other oddities while doing a post and beam plan.

Thank you for the input, Bob Roraback

 

I'm curious...what were the other oddities if you don't mind sharing? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to leave to meet an engineer Michael but I will respond later today. Bob

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, builder said:

I have to leave to meet an engineer Michael but I will respond later today. Bob

 

No worries.  You don't need to respond.  I was just curious is all. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Michael, The other problem that I found was with this post that I created. It was first created in X11 with no problems using polyline solids and the subtract command.

It was a bit of work to make but it was done with the intention of being able to duplicate it around the building corners

and using the reflect horizontally command to make it suitable for the other corners of the building or by simply turning it 90 degrees.

That is where I noticed that when in X 12 you either try to copy it or duplicate it, it copies but stays stuck on the original post and cannot be moved.

I will attach the plan file.

Post to tech support.plan

Post.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is the better part of the framing done so that I can produce cut diagrams

glass house.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, builder said:

Hi Michael, The other problem that I found was with this post that I created. It was first created in X11 with no problems using polyline solids and the subtract command.

It was a bit of work to make but it was done with the intention of being able to duplicate it around the building corners

and using the reflect horizontally command to make it suitable for the other corners of the building or by simply turning it 90 degrees.

That is where I noticed that when you either try to copy it or duplicate it, it copies but stays stuck on the original post and cannot be moved.

I will attach the plan file.

Post to tech support.plan

Post.jpg

 

Yup.  This is not good.  You did report it right?  I use solids pretty extensively for stuff like this too, but I haven't used them a whole ton in X12 yet.  I have also noticed a few other oddities with regard to rotating behaviors and have reported those, but this is a new one to me.  Glad you caught it.  I actually messed around with it for quite a while and I think I figured out the problem too. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just for your info:

  1. Convert it to a Symbol (Geometric Shape
  2. You can now copy, rotate, move and resize to your heart's content.

I have no idea why the PSolid itself is not being more forgiving but at least this is a solution for you.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's the problem for what its worth...

 

Note that it wasn't likely a problem in X11 because in X11 Chief wasn't treating solids as a group of editable faces like they are now.

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Bob-Roraback said:

Yes I did submit to tech support

 

Good.  Might not hurt to send them a link to my video as well. It might save them a little troubleshooting time. 

 

P.S.  I dropped a fixed post into the plan for you. 

I just used a very small solid to fill in that little criss-crossey no-man's-land corner that I pointed out in the video...

 

Post to tech support (modified).plan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Michael, Great detective work, Thank you. I am going to modify those mortices and put a shoulder on the girts. 

I will follow up with you when done.

Joe, I wanted to keep these editable because the company that I am doing prints for modifies their prints occasionally.

I think for their stock plans that is a good suggestion, thank you

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Bob-Roraback said:

Joe, I wanted to keep these editable because the company that I am doing prints for modifies their prints occasionally.

I think for their stock plans that is a good suggestion, thank you

When you create a Symbol just keep the original PSolid / Solid.  You can save each modification as a Symbol with a version number.  That way you'll build up a library of parts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We received the bug report. We have a fix for a future update. The condition that Alaskan_Son pointed out is the trigger for the bug.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good sleuthing Michael.

Hey Bob (OP)... can't help but wonder about this framing you're doing.  I'm assuming with all this fancy joinery you're planning to have the framing exposed inside the cabin?  Out of curiosity what will you be finishing the exterior with?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Mark, yes the framing is exposed to the interior. The exterior is covered with vertical ship lap pine.

Once I work out the procedure I am going to start another thread about doing post and beam structures.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Bob-Roraback said:

Once I work out the procedure I am going to start another thread about doing post and beam structures.

That should get interesting...:) For me if no one else.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now

  • Member Statistics

    28018
    Total Members
    6254
    Most Online
    PMMully
    Newest Member
    PMMully
    Joined