Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I noticed today that if you create a polyline solid in plan view, it is fully editable in cross section view as it is supposed to be in X12. If you create a polyline solid while in cross section view, it is not editable when in plan view as I believe it should be in X12. Is anyone else getting this same result? I submitted it to tech support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Good catch. Easily reproducible. Convert to Solid and it will be editable in plan though. For what it's worth, bear in mind that once you edit a polyline solid's shape from any direction other that that of it's original extrusion, it's automatically converted to a solid and loses it's polyline and basic 2D extrusion properties anyway, so the conversion to a solid would happen regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Hi Michael, yes, understood on the conversion to a solid. I stumbled upon this and a couple of other oddities while doing a post and beam plan. Thank you for the input, Bob Roraback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, builder said: Hi Michael, yes, understood on the conversion to a solid. I stumbled upon this and a couple of other oddities while doing a post and beam plan. Thank you for the input, Bob Roraback I'm curious...what were the other oddities if you don't mind sharing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 I have to leave to meet an engineer Michael but I will respond later today. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, builder said: I have to leave to meet an engineer Michael but I will respond later today. Bob No worries. You don't need to respond. I was just curious is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Hi Michael, The other problem that I found was with this post that I created. It was first created in X11 with no problems using polyline solids and the subtract command. It was a bit of work to make but it was done with the intention of being able to duplicate it around the building corners and using the reflect horizontally command to make it suitable for the other corners of the building or by simply turning it 90 degrees. That is where I noticed that when in X 12 you either try to copy it or duplicate it, it copies but stays stuck on the original post and cannot be moved. I will attach the plan file. Post to tech support.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 This is the cabin project that I am working on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Here is the better part of the framing done so that I can produce cut diagrams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, builder said: Hi Michael, The other problem that I found was with this post that I created. It was first created in X11 with no problems using polyline solids and the subtract command. It was a bit of work to make but it was done with the intention of being able to duplicate it around the building corners and using the reflect horizontally command to make it suitable for the other corners of the building or by simply turning it 90 degrees. That is where I noticed that when you either try to copy it or duplicate it, it copies but stays stuck on the original post and cannot be moved. I will attach the plan file. Post to tech support.plan Yup. This is not good. You did report it right? I use solids pretty extensively for stuff like this too, but I haven't used them a whole ton in X12 yet. I have also noticed a few other oddities with regard to rotating behaviors and have reported those, but this is a new one to me. Glad you caught it. I actually messed around with it for quite a while and I think I figured out the problem too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Yes I did submit to tech support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just for your info: Convert it to a Symbol (Geometric Shape You can now copy, rotate, move and resize to your heart's content. I have no idea why the PSolid itself is not being more forgiving but at least this is a solution for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Here's the problem for what its worth... Note that it wasn't likely a problem in X11 because in X11 Chief wasn't treating solids as a group of editable faces like they are now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob-Roraback said: Yes I did submit to tech support Good. Might not hurt to send them a link to my video as well. It might save them a little troubleshooting time. P.S. I dropped a fixed post into the plan for you. I just used a very small solid to fill in that little criss-crossey no-man's-land corner that I pointed out in the video... Post to tech support (modified).plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Michael, Great detective work, Thank you. I am going to modify those mortices and put a shoulder on the girts. I will follow up with you when done. Joe, I wanted to keep these editable because the company that I am doing prints for modifies their prints occasionally. I think for their stock plans that is a good suggestion, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Bob-Roraback said: Joe, I wanted to keep these editable because the company that I am doing prints for modifies their prints occasionally. I think for their stock plans that is a good suggestion, thank you When you create a Symbol just keep the original PSolid / Solid. You can save each modification as a Symbol with a version number. That way you'll build up a library of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronM Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 We received the bug report. We have a fix for a future update. The condition that Alaskan_Son pointed out is the trigger for the bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG1949 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Wow! Thank you Michael! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DzinEye Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Good sleuthing Michael. Hey Bob (OP)... can't help but wonder about this framing you're doing. I'm assuming with all this fancy joinery you're planning to have the framing exposed inside the cabin? Out of curiosity what will you be finishing the exterior with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob-Roraback Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hi Mark, yes the framing is exposed to the interior. The exterior is covered with vertical ship lap pine. Once I work out the procedure I am going to start another thread about doing post and beam structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Bob-Roraback said: Once I work out the procedure I am going to start another thread about doing post and beam structures. That should get interesting... For me if no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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