MarkMc

I use both semi and full custom but both by a manufacturer. Both rely on written order, with drawings for clarity. All the competing cabinet software does pretty pictures. I would not have dumped a $6k investment , with 15 years familiarity, in program pricing and a decent cabinet list with mods for pretty pictures. I think cabinet and interior people are just a market of opportunity for CA, hardly a priority. I've run into more kitchen folks who dumped CA than use it. Really, I don't see any other features listed anywhere, cabinet or otherwise? Where is the list? This feature was heavily requested by "building" folks on the forum (of course there are many more of them here) it would not be one of my priorities. I'd agree it may play well to the bleachers. Give me control over cabinet sides, fix clipped corners, show side panels in plan, snap dimensions to cabinet parts, put "guts" into "Interiors", ...I might see things otherwise, but I'm not about to make book on any of them. A general fix to schedules would be a benefit for me and I suspect many users. As to the GUI- I'm for anything that improves productivity or accuracy. That along with stability are why I use it. Cost? If a competing software (or an upgraded ver$ion of Chief) was suddenly a major improvement for my work I'd be on it as soon as I could afford it, Tools and materials are almost always cheaper than labor.

I took an 8hr on line class thru Chief as a jump starter. Then and now use all the resources mentioned and read this forum every day. The "legacy chieftalk" -old forum - is near the top of the forum page.

Just tried a variation on Scott's suggestion. Opened a plan then placed cabinets in it -nothing else- set each to a specific configuration and saved as a template. So any one of those cabinets can be used to set the default which will take care of the toe, top drawer, etc. mentioned below. I'll work with that for a while- would cut down on templates - still doesn't really solve the switching problem-wish select same load same had a way to deal with it. Scott-Hadn't tried that -just gave it a shot now to see if that is better...not sure it is but will try it a little further to see.if it is an improvement. One issue I found off the bat is the toe height. If I set a toe height for a cabinet to say 4" and remove the "D" but the plan has 4" as the default it adds back the "D" . So if I send it to the library and drag it into a plan with 4-1/2" toe it switches to that . IF it is a drawer base (variations of which are the most common cabinets I store) that changes the drawer heights. Guess I could change the default on the plan, then change the cabinet toe to a non default and then add one to the library for each variable to use to reset the defaults A couple of critical elements in cabinets don't respond to defaults; top drawer height and construction (Inset, frameless, overlay) are two. I have: 2 toe heights, 4 top drawer heights, 2 reveals on frameless, 3 for overlay, 2 top rail heights for inset walls...two templates configured as traditional overlay (one frameless and one full overlay) so that I can make the top and bottom reveals match the specs. Biggest thing for me is the need to make multiple variations for a client or change is mid stream....Doors style and color are easy. Construction and brand not so much once everything is in place. Would be nice to streamline it all (or have more cooperative clients , so far templates have helped. I'll try your suggestion a bit- I'm open to anything.

For me the building defaults are either existing or decided by someone else so I set those as needed. I have about 9 for different cabinet makes and construction -top drawer, toe, and top rail height; inset, overlay and frameless. I did save one for raised ranches with a building in place and have a couple of extra with 9 foot ceilings with stacked cabinets. Occasionally I can open an old plan and work off that.

No, there is not a way to change that. For just a few cabinets you can fix it in layout-(this is for Premier- won't work in Interiors) easiest to first draw cad in elevation I drew a pline rectangle, sized it and point to point to move to corner of the cabinet- have to zoom in since it doesn't snap. Then transform replicate/copy by a factor of 0.9, then adjust the dimensions to 5/8. Once in layout use tools,layout, edit layout lines(not available in interiors) and delete the original lines at 3/4" then you have to adjust all the shelf lines to meet you gable. I thought there was a way to resize a pline box by a dimensions but can't find it- anyone know how to do that??

MSI has at least one laptop that supports 4k external via HDMI even though native resolution is 1920. Those specs could easily be trimmed to half the cost and still be overkill. I could arch my Sager today for under 1500. I'm pretty sure CA runs better on the Geoffrey cards than the Quadro and generally less money for equal memory. Lastly a 55" in that small a space seams like a bit much.

Look forward to see the results. 1 of 5 supports PK- 3 support 2020 but only one accepts it for pricing- 3 have on line pricing systems. Getting a correctly numbered schedule in 2020 is no picnic either. Bluebeam has a trial should you wish to play with that. I selected a sequence tool- placed in a drawing, altered the font and circle size to suit, then saved to toolbox.

It is far more likely that I purchase PK than re-up 2020 (simply dread the thought) Most of my work is better suited to Chief. Well thanks to the help on this thread I did find a way to create a schedule within Chief -I've attached a zip file with a plan that uses what I found on this thread I also included a pdf of a recent job showing what I'm describing below being done in Bluebeam. For the Chief plan the key was altering component list and entering into a new coiumn that doesn't go away with editing. This was a relatively simple kitchen for me, much simpler than the one in the layout. In the long run the process is too cumbersome- I may revisit it once they make some changes. I really would like to be able to stay in one program for safety sake. What I'm doing now... I've set up annosets to allow- dimensioning to just wall cabs, just base, just room- then to another to show them all, some with labels, others with and without labels, some others. I typically produce 2 (sometimes a 3rd just for ordering) cabinet plan views in layout- one for the client in plain English (no labels) -another for install and checking sometimes a third for just ordering. If the brand for the job has something close to civilized nomenclature and it is a simple job I (sometimes) make needed adjustments to labels in Chief for at least the main cabinet and finished sides. Accessories and modifications get messy so I don't include them in labels in chief. I have gone back and forth trying to do all labels and call-outs in Chief so that I can check things better OR doing them all after the fact. Currently I'm keeping all instructions and specific callouts in Chief but labels are done after the fact. (annosets helps a lot with this). Lables, schedule and cabinet numbering: I print the plain English plan and a no label plan- then get out a pencil to fill in the labels. This is only for the purpose of checking over the order. Once the order is done- on line, drag and drop in 2020, or in a spreadsheet -which one simply depends on what the brand has available and complexity Then I get the order into a spreadsheet, (at this point changes create mayhem) then I copy the relevant columns from the order and paste that into Bluebeam. Then I go on to number cabinets in both plan and elevation sheets then check that. To number cabinets to relate to the schedule I use a layout plan page with no labels, and elevations with no labels. Then in Bluebeam PDF Revu. I use one of it's "sequence" tools that I have customized and saved in my toolbox- click and it stamps with user defined prefix and number , each click advances the number in sequence as you go-fast and easy once you play with it a little. Can be reset or started over with a new prefix (for instance an job with multiple finishes which will have to go on seperate orders (i.e Cherry=C1,C2,C3...white= W1,W2<...) I'd first used this with 2020 before CA and had hoped to do away with it. Lately I have not even been adding labels to all jobs but if I do then.... Final labels are added in Bluebeam- I open two instances of the same document, place on separate monitors, copy nomenclature from the schedule, and past as a label on the the appropriate layout page. Once added, all those labels can be group selected to reformat to fit. It's a convoluted system BUT faster than trying to do it in Chief. The brands I carry have serious diversity in nomenclature and I do a lot of mods and accessories which makes doing it in Chief too cumbersome. As you pointed out trying to create full catalog for a single line is daunting, 4 different companies comprising twice as many lines.

I gave up trying to get a schedule out of CA. Faster to generate it elsewhere; 2020, on-line order, spreadsheet, and paste into PDF of layout. I use Bluebeam so numbering cabs is a snap. Half the time I don't even do labels in Chief -certainly not mods or accessories and too many variations in nomenclature. CA gives me good docs and one way or another I can configure "most" cabinets...which is what I wanted. Looked into PK a year or so ago but opted for a second CA license. Maybe next time, likely sooner than renewing 2020 from what I've seen. Will be checking software at KBIS.

I've got a couple of lambs tongue edges in my library. Don’t remember how they were acquired or made. Not very good since I don't really understand stretch planes but have slapped em on the end on occasion. Sure it's a word, ever had filleted flounder

Shelves , top and bottom shelves at 1.5" , back ans side as partitions , columns as noted earler, face frame is two seperate 3 d molding lines. All of that took 10-15 minutes But the 3d molding liines that is another story- played with it for an hour-best I could get is here... The intersection of the molding lines don't get reall neat, cant miter them and could not figur out how to make it work as a single 3d line going in all 3 planes?? thought that was possible, maybe someone smarter can chime in here. Attached plan so you can dissect it.

Been that way since I've had it (X3). Default full depth shelf is from front edge to back with no clearance, just asking for Z fighting. IRL shelves are always set back. Switching doors styles is not really a solution, 80% of clients want a recess panel door. Not the biggest pain since it can be resolved in templates.

Shelves inside cabinets are not on that layer as they are part of the cabinet symbol. Reduce the depth of the shelves in the defaults to something used in the real world and the problem goes away. I've set up templates with reduced depth shelves, when I forget and use the wrong template I just go in and make em half depth. Problem with that is they are not a dynamic default and group select usually doesn't work on em.

I noted catalogs in the post- white river has capitals- download it if you don't have it. Not exact but good. Art for Everyday has 3d dwg files here More legs available adams wood products, estate custom collection, huntwood, classic designs by Matthew Burak (under columns this may be your best choice for that) I noted -egg and dart molding- white river, mouser BUT after a second look it appears to be a rope molding- several mfg cats have that-decora, canyon creek, too many to list

-Shelves with spindle rail- open cabinet with molding polyline-there is a spindle rail in the core catalog -2 cabinets with capitals- use traditional overlay and set top rail wide- look in library for capitals. White River catalog has one that may work for you. -Columns at bumped out cabinet- make cabinet deeper- add fillers to each side set back to other cabinets- place legs (fluted) may want to rummage the mfg catalogs. -Cabinets on corner- I think I'd make them with 3d molding polyline for the face frame, a seperate back made from a (partition, cabinet with blank front, p-solid) item of your choice and then place the fluted column in there- I may be tricky to get the base and top blocks that small, oversize the column and bury it in the face frame -Moldings- are a crown with an applied detail- might use and "egg and dart" (whtie river) Note that some of these items may start to slow down your 3d views. There may be better spindle rails and a closer option than the egg and dart but be careful. Those can be killers to 3d If you need these to look more realistic (with caution noted above) find out who the maker is and see if they are available in a format that can be imported.

3-resize door, 4 move door which snaps to edge of cabinet, 5 move door with transform replicate to correct position on cabinet, 6 move door with Transform replicate to correct height- repeat as needed 7. hopefully you do a save as since you have to revert to closed for the client again. All this-while client watches since this usually comes as a client request? or make a second plan and do it ahead of time because you have to show them both open and closed but alas if there are changes in the meeting that doesn't quite fly. Easy? no. To simply check clearances I use circle about center in plan. If I really am going to need this for someone I redraw the entire kitchen in 2020. That allows to: open doors to a specific angle (using the proper hinge location; slide out drawers X inches (in a good catalog), open appliance doors , slide out roll out trays, show interior accessories (and in some cats slide them out). All via the cabinet DBX- still must be per cabinet but way easier and often worth the work to redo the plan. That feature is at least 15 years old. Something that easy would be great in chief.

I set up "something" for countertop items last month, guess it is not what I thought. Maybe I put em in another plan as Kilgore suggested. Will have to check when I can get to a computer. Sorry for the misinformation, age, I have the missus wear a name tag these days.

Add to user library, open symbol there, change layer, use those next time

Part is to control the xyz access in the open symbol dbx. Attached is a plan with cabinet with sink in it, cabinet without and a Kohler Whitehaven symbol that should work for you. Bonus are the flutes added to the clipped conrers that actually look ok

Because then I only have to manually add one, some clients use the drawer hardware others the door hardware on pullouts, by leaving the drawer alone it use the defaults for drawer hardware.

I use a "door panel" for the bottom section instead of a drawer. They don't automatically get hardware and don't have opening indicator, add hardware separately when done.

I checked- you can set number and spacing of shelves in the cabinet defaults-no problem. Did these then changed to openings to show.

Here is a collection of miscellaneous Wolf SubZero appliances I've gathered

I have most of the sun/wolf products downloaded from an and imported. Took a break from dissembling displays- posted a file here Wolf Sub mix In the symbols area

That is just terrific big big time saver. Not to be greedy but if we get control over toe space and cabinet sides and fix clipped corner automess I don't think I could ask for more... ....then again