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Lew, maybe you should get some first hand experience of the ML before you comment any more Glenn: I have opinions and I don't need your permission to have them my opinions are based on following the discussions on this forum for a decade I don't need to touch a hot stove to verify that it is hot if others tell me it is hot I'll believe them and save myself the burn once again the ML can be used if one is willing to dedicate the time to learn it and tweak it many have found that to be onerous if that concept bothers you and Joey - too damn bad Lew

Joey: again, I never said the ML was worthless again, you are one of the few, the very few who like the ML and consider it a great feature as is Lew

Chief will not report something that isn't there, and will report everything that is there. It's that simple. Joey: that is the whole point if it was THAT simple then why do so many users have so many problems ??? I didn't say the ML was worthless or forever inaccurate I said it may not be reliable OOB and will probably need lots of manual tweaks to be accurate and each workaround adds to the probability of "issues" Lew

Joey: in a thread from 2009 you stated: http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?44723-Materials-list&highlight=material+list I am going to be completely honest, and this will hurt. For those that keep telling users that an accurate model is to hard to achieve, do us a favor and delete your account, sell your copy of Chief, and go to work selling Kirby vacuums or some such s*@t. I am so over hearing that load of crap...that I **** near just threw my laptop across the f'in room. It may take you an hour...maybe...and after a few models, that time will shrink accordingly. So if you are posting tens of thousands of post, have worked with Chief since version 1 or 2 or whatever, and still believe that perfect models are only created by peter pan, or leprechauns at the end of the rainbow...then please do us a frigin favor and quit!! this "debate" was on-going when I joined the forum in 2004 and is still going on if the ML was as you state then when so many threads about its short-comings ??? https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/4132-material-list-pricing/ http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62593-Materials-List-Revisited&highlight=softlist http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?52853-Material-Take-Offs-Builder-s-Show-and-other-stuff&highlight=softlist http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62446-Material-Lists-Ruby&highlight=softlist http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?65579-Estimating-material-lists&highlight=material+list http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?63407-Best-material-list-alternative&highlight=material+list http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62801-Material-List-Problems-to-Solve&highlight=material+list http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62606-Materials-List-improvements-Please-add-your-thoughts&highlight=material+list These are just some of the threads from the old forum there are many, many more I don't use the ML - never have and now that I'm retired - never will my only interest is to get CA to recognize that the ML has issues and has had issues for over a decade I think it is wonderful that it works for you but others should be aware that the ML has short-comings and without a lot of manual tweaking may not be reliable Lew

If you are still using a bunch of "workarounds" to build your models than you need to switch to AutoCAD LT Joey: this is BS and you know it .... there are a "zillion" workarounds in Chief they have been discussed "ad naseum" on this forum I've been on this forum for a decade and you are one of a handful that find the ML to be "wonderful" maybe you can do videos on how you use it so others can learn cause I hear nothing but complaints about it not being "accurate" and "not ready for prime time" Lew

CA states in the manual the ML is only as good as the model with all the "workarounds" that Chief needs the OOB ML should be verified very carefully for accuracy with lots of manual tweaking - then maybe ??? Lew

when doing as-builts it is "necessary" to go to the surfaces Lew

probably best to contact CA's tech support they are open 6 AM - 5 PM Pacific Lew

go with win 8.1 Pro they have fixed most of the "annoyance" issues for desktop users win 10 is coming in 2015 and it will be a free upgrade for most win vista/7/8 users Lew

I took bracing classes in Fairfax Va from a code inspector who helped write the code for ICC while I was qualified to do the calcs and diagrams the two projects where we needed bracing after that I let the structural engineer do it since we were using him for other items anyways that was for 2006 codes, they tried simplifying it in 2009 but it really wasn't that much simpler check with code official to see if you can do it or if you want to do it Lew

X7 is in Beta with an expected release date of Mar 5 buy X6 now with SSA and you will get X7 wait some and next year you might also get X8 if the release date is prior to SSA expiring (or if you renew before release) Lew

yep, I think you are in over your head seek assistance ... Lew

yes, he has a license but it probably can't be used on other PC's it is an OEM license - most likely Lew

most PC vendors don't supply windows discs anymore so you might have to buy a Win XP license with discs to use the dual-boot option most PC's allow you to create a set of boot discs but they will only work on that PC Lew

no, if you have the hardware lock that is all you need however, Win 8.1 will probably be an issue in fact Win7 might be an issue with drivers etc you may have to find an old XP or Vista PC to run ver 9.5 or ver 10 Lew

They can if you make one as "No room def" Perry: interesting, when did that change come about ??? I haven't tried since ver 9.5 or ver 10 as Chief didn't like it at all even recently I have seen the recommendation to create a cad block overlay to show the old walls Glenn: It is a wall and will be a wall until it is demoed it would be nice if we could use layers to control old versus new but my last understanding was that this was not possible it would be nice to be able to see various alternatives all in the same plan by using layer control I understand that Softplan has had this feature for many versions now but no idea if it "works" Lew

ummm, however, even if on different layers walls can't occupy the same space Lew

if your HD Arch. ver is current then CA will probably apply the cost towards the upgrade best to contact CA's sales dept Lew

looks like a hacked version being sold illegally Lew

cooperate and complain is the best way ... Lew

Mark: I send in support tickets whenever needed only once did I get the "we don't do training" I was reporting a bug on there roof generation for one of their knowledge articles when they couldn't give a good reason why it was acting that way they gave that response it is a bummer when they dodge like that Lew

I always add the ver id to the plan name Lew

I prefer to do my own "save as" as often as every 5 minutes or whenever I finish a task I don't care to repeat I add date and time to the file name Lew

Glenn: Just re-read the above postings and realized they were about take-offs when you mentioned cut list I wasn't paying attention Chief can do cut list via "structural member reporting" still not sure it can do cut lists for cabinets or sheets of plywood etc Lew

I have nothing more to say on the BIM subject Lew