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I have to say Jintu, if you want that $25.00 prize money and the cheap 10" trophy, you have to do better, I think BB has you beat. It's nice, but BB did a really nice job.

I wonder if a ceiling hole would work.

Never considered kbirds method, I might try it. I do not like Tommy's method. I think the best method is to put a wall in and designate it as retaining. Now here is the key.......... Adjust the height of the top and bottom of wall. Now put the height back to original elevation if you want. The key is once you have changed the elevation, it will STAY as you put it.

How much room is between the flatten roof and stairs?

Barton, you are setting the bar pretty high, nice job.

Yeah, I think Perry has been practicing the Models look. Kind of a good looking guy, I wonder if a Penny appreciates him.......... Hey P., if you get time would you mind saying something nice about me so I can pass it on to my wife?

I got to tell you, I think I am moving to Norway. If I want to add a doorbell outside my front door, I need 38 sheets of plans, an engineers signature, the blessing of President Obama and my wife's approval. Oh wait, I also need coastal approval, fire department approval, city approval and the blessing of the Zoo Curators at the San Diego Zoo...... did I mention I need FAA approval? Anyway, that is why I make the big Pesos..... I have to jump through a lot of hoopolas.

Yeah, I will get to that, plus landscaping improvements.

My second stab at it. Another CRAPPY RAYTRACE, 2 minutes max. What I am finding interesting is my own CRAPPY RAYTRACES are much better, so what am I missing? Anyway, I am enjoying the challenge. I have to get to work now and earn some pesos. It will be much better before the deadline...... I hope.

Okay, here is my first stab at it, my CRAPPY RAYTRACE, 2 minutes max. I can do better. What is great about this is the process of taking somebody else's plan, and trying to make it work with our own standards. My standards are very low, as I said, max. 2 minute ray trace, I might stretch it to 3 minutes. Anyway, thanks Michael for the challenge, I will do better before the deadline.

Yeah, I think you are right, hey Michael, get your act together and get us the textures, thanks.

Hey P. I sure hope you can help us out with your entry. And I will see you Saturday too.

Oh Michael, this is so awesome. Give me a couple of days, believe it or not, I actually have work to do, and no cheap trophies, I get paid in Pesos out here in SoCal. Oh, one more final rule. All entries must be posted prior to Friday, August 29th at 12:00 pm midnight. This will give you Michael 6 hours to determine the winner of the $25.00 and the 10" cheap plastic trophy and you can announce the winner at our Saturday workshop at 6:00 am pst. Awesome stuff Michael, thanks for participating, I will have my entry in before the deadline.

There you go Michael, you already have three Vermin chomping at the bit wanting to give you the best dang funeral home in the world. Oh, one final rule, your funeral home, you are the final arbiter when it comes to determining the winner of the $10.00 Prize money and the Cheap 10" tall trophy.

Learn manual roofs is my suggestion.

Yep, I get this, not sure if everyone understands this.

Hey Michael, lets's call it the MMCCRUMP; RENDERING CONTEST. Here are the rules: -we have to use your materials -we have to use your ugly cars -we have to use columns but.... -we can put in our own landscaping -we can choose any camera angle -we can choose any media, whether rendering, ray trace, water color etc. this could be fun, are you in? This could be very enlighting. You put up the $10.00, I will pay for the cheap plastic trophy (minimum 10" tall), let's do it!!!

Michael, I agree, something is lacking. I have an idea. Strip your plan down, post the plan, and have a contest with all of your friends here to see who can produce the best RayTrace with your project. Offer a $10.00 prize for the best rendering. I bet you would get a lot of entries and we can all learn from it. Hey, just call me the "Idea King". See you Saturday at the workshop. Oh, at least throw in a trophy along with the $10.00...... I will pay for the trophy, (you have been more than generous with me).

Lew, can you think of a reason not to do it? Do you think Alaska would be having the problems he is having it he had done it ?

This is your answer. You need to have a second floor. You cannot have a second floor on an attic level. Let me be clearer, and I have said this on multiple occasions. To simplify building your model, always have one extra level than what is needed. I.E., if your house is one story, have two levels, if your house is a two story, have 3 levels. If your house if a 3 story, have 4 levels. I know, not required, but if you followed this dictum, you would not be having the problem you are now having.

Michael, you should post some pix of your renderings to get some specific feedback.

Perry turned me onto this and I am forever grateful. Pretty cool stuff. Thanks again P.

Great question, select door. open DBX<OPTIONS<IN CURVED WALL, check the CURVED DOOR option, done.

Yep, that is what I would suggest.

Appreciate the confirmation, I was beginning to think it was a MAC shortcoming. Apparently it is a shortcoming for both the MAC and the PC.