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Was poking around after capturing your glass image and found this brochure with some variation of artwork: https://www.sanssoucie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sans_Soucie_Pantry_Laundry_Wine_Doors.pdf What size door did you use in your plan. The image makes it look like about a 24" wide door ... or maybe a tad wider.

David: Thanks ... I am going to go grab that one while it's fresh on my mind. Several years ago I spent some time on the Internet looking for pantry door glass and actually had a pretty good collection I saved. Unfortunately, a little carelessness on opening an email earlier this year wiped them out along with a whole BIG bunch of other stuff I'd accumulated with regards to Chief ... ransomware was the cuprit ... and there was no way I was going to pay the ransom for a decryption key that there was no guarantee would even be sent or would work, if sent. A hard lesson learned on my part.

David: Where did you find the pantry door glass. I was looking for one like that a few weeks back but couldn't find one that good. Nice RT by the way ... very bright ... no one will be napping in that kitchen.

Too short for "too tall" .... does that figure. I will probably need to have a full pot of coffee handy for a GTM on terrain.

Isn't 20 minutes way too much time for this topic? If you do one, I would love to sit in on it.

Joe: Excellent tip ... I probably just didn't see the label changing when I tabbed. Would be nice if Chief has some little gem in the program that would tell it to offset the labels for stacked windows.

Joe: It seems like I've tried that but with no success. Not sure I understand what procedure you are using. Are you saying if you select a window e.g., then tab, that the label hidden directly under the one on top will magically move to the front? I am sure that I've tried that but had no success in "freeing up the buried label" unless it was right before my eyes and didn't realize it. Can you explain the process? I think I will go do a test and see if I can figure out what you are saying.

If you have stacked windows you might not see the labels/callouts for all of them as some of the labels may stack directly on top of each other. If that happens you may need to un-mull them and then move them enough so that you can drag some of the label handles (upper or lower) out away from the window or to the side of the other label; then re-mull so all the labels are displayed (assuming you are displaying each unit individually instead of as a single mulled unit).

I really should try and get my Internet cable in to my office area so I can be hard wired like you. I just got another warning - here's the snip of it:

I should have captured an image of the message I've got while working with X9 today saying " .... Chief needs to establish an internet connection ....". Usually I just close the box and keep on working ... I assume Chief has re-established the Internet connection to its satisfaction. But once Chief crashed on me. Has anyone else been experiencing any similar behavior? My Internet is via Hughes.net satellite. My office is on the main floor of my home while my modem and router are on the lower floor. I communicate with the router with a USB adapter so I am wireless, not hardwired to my Internet service. My system shows me having a good connection. I have had no problems with Mozilla Firefox or Thunderbird today ... they are working just fine. Only Chief seems to be having problems. If the dialog pops up again I will post an image of it.

Don't know if this is the problem, but you might want to check the drawing order of some of your plot plan items ... maybe move the ones that don't look right forward/to the front. Just a guess. I didn't open your plan.

Many Chief users, and CA employees, suggest using elevation lines and elevation regions more so than elevation points. Mastering terrain takes lots of experimentation and practice. I have never come close to mastering it but enjoy trying different approaches when time allows. In some ways, mastering terrain building is a lot like mastering ray tracing. It doesn't come overnight, but many Chief users have produced some remarkable results in both areas, so it can be done. Good luck.

Rob: I don't know of a way other than opening the dbx and unchecking the bounding box display. Perhaps you could suggest that in the suggestions forum.

Don't know ... I deleted the test I did. You'll have to take a section view and measure and see where the 36" on the bottom side ends up.

Joe: I remember you mentioning your bay window symbols not too long ago. If you would have done yours with a 30° angle I probably would have contacted you. How do you handle your window schedules ... what/how do you report the bay window(s) information? I am thankful that the bay window tools, at least from a visual point of view, work as well as they do. Hopefully, functionality will continue to improve with new updates or releases. And yes, I would like to see some brand name bay/bow/box window symbols for our library. It has been some time since I've had a customer even want this type of window unit (v10) so I was a little rusty when I first placed them in the customer's plan. Then I saw a nice video by David Michael that explained things a little better on how the tools work which was much better than the "dragging method" I was attempting to use. Thanks David.

Also, if a user chooses to display the bay window's "specific" dimensions (width and projection), it would be nice to be able to select those dimensions so we can re-position them as needed on our plans. Sometimes there can be too much stuff needed to be shown in small areas and being able to maneuver dimensions in particular is needed.

Back again. After shutting down my computer, restarting, opening Chief & Chief Talk, I opened my test plan and added one more bay window unit on the left wall where there is no porch to deal with. I did not mess with any of the OOB settings (didn't drop the top or raise the bottom of the bay unit) and deleted and replaced the window schedule. Low and behold, the new bay did not report a room name at all. THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED! Anyway, hope this help someone else having to experiment with settings etc. if you are using bay windows in one of your projects and including the room names in your window schedule. Here's the attachments: BayWindowProb.plan PellaImperviaCasementBay&BowProductDetails,Dimensions,Sections_F2BayBow.pdf

A project I am about to finish has two bay windows in it. My client has given me the specifications for them as follows: Pella Impervia, Bay Window w/casement flankers, 30° angles, fiberglass construction, 60" high Unit A: 80" wide, 10-1/2" projection Unit B: 96" wide, 15-1/8" projection In looking at the Pella website, I see that the frame of the unit has what appears to be a 1" thick plywood top piece while the bottom is comprised of 3 layers - 1" PW top piece; 1" foam insulation; and a 1" PW bottom piece. Only the top PW piece and the top bottom PW piece fit inside the units' R.O.'s. Pella calls for the R.O.'s to be 3/4" larger than each units quoted size (e.g., the 80" wide unit's R.O. would be 80.75" x 60.75". The units essentially are built such that they can have the bottom used like a window seat. I am showing them to be installed 20" above the finished floor elevation. My clients plan calls for 8' ceilings (97-1/8" rough) so that means the wall opening will be about 16" below the ceiling height. This will provide room for added insulation above the unit and with the bottom raised, there will be room for added insulation there as well. This information isn't really relevant to my issue that I am reporting ... I am just adding it to describe how a manufacturer's bay windows are built (dimensions). In my plan I actually specified the individual window units as being 60" tall so I am a little on the tall side with what I am showing in the plan but may go in and edit that now that I have received more specific information from Pella. In my project, I have specified in the window schedule that the room name of all windows be shown. For the bay units, I have likewise checked for all the bay units windows be reported in the schedule separately so that I can get the glass area reported on the schedule. If I check for each one to be only be shown as one unit on the schedule, then the schedule does not pickup the glass area and report it. I think it should and request that Chief make that correction on future updates to the program. In my actual project, I have one bay unit that is within the area of a covered porch while the other unit is only under the eaves of the roof (2' overhangs). My intent is for the builder to put in framing in the shape of the bays from the top of each unit to the bottom of the soffit and porch roofs respectively. These frames will be covered with sheathing and siding which will weatherproof the tops of each bay unit. The problem that I am running into is that when I generated my window schedule, the bay unit within the porch area shows the porch as being the room it is installed in while the other unit doesn't even show the room name for the room it is installed in. I called Tech Support to discuss this with them and ask them why Chief was picking up the room name on the outside of the exterior walls rather than the interior room. Kirk was who took my call. He was able to reproduce my problem with the porch example .... he didn't put in a bay outside of the porch area but he did figure out what was causing the behavior. Because in the bay window specifications dialog (dbx) I specified that the bay unit have a raised bottom, this setting alone caused the window schedule to pickup the porch room and place it in the schedule. If the bay's bottom is not raised, the the interior room name reports to the schedule. MY SUGGESTIONS REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS IN BAY WINDOW REPORTING IN THE WINDOW SCHEDULE: 1. FIX THE ROOM NAME BEHAVIOR AS FAR AS WINDOW SCHEDULE ROOM NAME REPORTING GOES. BAY WINDOWS SHOULD ALWAYS PICKUP THE NAME OF THE ROOM ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE UNIT FOR SCHEDULE REPORTING PURPOSES. 2. SOMEHOW, I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THE BAY WINDOWS TO THE SCHEDULE AS SINGLE UNITS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE 3 INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS INCLUDED. BUT I ALSO WANT THE 3 WINDOWS REPORTED AS "SUB ITEMS" SOMEHOW, SO THAT THE SCHEDULE CAN PICKUP THE GLASS AREAS FOR ALL THREE WINDOWS, AS WELL AS THEIR DESCRIPTIONS AND OTHER SPEC'S. Attached is a simple plan with one room and an added porch. There's a bay window with the spec's I used for one of my projects bay units and I have included a schedule to show that the room name for the bay unit is "porch" rather than that of the interior "living" room. Again, when you raise the bottom of a bay unit, this caused Chief to look to the outside of the exterior wall to find a room name. This behavior, in the minimum, needs to be fixed. I am also attaching a Pella document on bay windows from there website if you are interested in seeing how the units as specified, built and sold. I will put a link to this thread on the suggestion forum as well. Until this gets changed, anyone incurring this problem will have to utilize other means to get the schedules looking right, such as converting to text. Having difficulties with Cheif crashing and attaching my files. Will do this in a 2nd post.

Joey: I agree - "cobbled together" was not a good phrase to use ... I have edited my post above.

Lots of columns of many types/designs now available in the Chief Libraries; some you can edit as needed.

Thanks Eric ... I knew it was simple ... I will stick with the tea.

How do you get to the "absolute elevation" part? There's probably an easy answer I am totally oblivious to this a.m. ... I switched to tea instead of coffee; maybe I need to go back to coffee. Perry ... good tip.

I think stairs are much better than they were years ago but there's still some things about stairs that haven't been perfected yet ... and may never be. In the image below, I have cobbled together what I think is about what you are after ... maybe not. There are probably better ways to come up with a satisfactory result, if you want your camera views to look good.

Scott: Are you using transform/replicate in performing this operation?

David: This short video by Scott Harris backs up what Dermot was saying. If you haven't watched it, it will be worth your time to do so. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/600/using-layer-sets-to-control-dimension-size-text-size-color.html?playlist=100