Mirrored Plan

[mtldesigns]

I don't get these too often, and if I do, its usually at the concept stage.  How do you manage this if needed AFTER the con docs are done?  I mean the house mirrors beautifully, with a few clean up items.  The section arrows callouts mirror pretty good also HOWEVER the actual sections do not, at least they didn't in this case.  Do they normally mirror?  If this is part of the cleanup, is there a way to "flip" the section cameras so I don't have to redo ~25 section views??

Edited March 14 by mtldesigns
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[joey_martin]

It's a PITA. You will need to do some manual cleanup of the sections and elevations. 

[mtldesigns]

11 hours ago, joey_martin said:

It's a PITA

Yeah I figured...  thanks!  The only good thing, is this a change order... time equals $$.  I was just hoping to be done sooner than later.

[johnny]

We developed a fairly efficient method by first drawing a bounding box around the outermost X and Y elements, then placing a centerline through that box. From there, we perform an area select (grabbing everything), and use the mirror tool....excluding the box and centerline from the selection. This process is repeated for all elements that need to be mirrored, including sections, elevations, and any other drawings. It’s a bit faster than other approaches, though not perfect.

 

One advantage over the "reverse plan" tool is that it generally keeps the page layout elements in roughly the same position. Overall, it’s the most effective method we’ve come up with so far.

[mtldesigns]

3 hours ago, johnny said:

This process is repeated for all elements that need to be mirrored, including sections, elevations, and any other drawing

So besides mirroring the plan, you then mirror the sections, elevations on their own.  Using the common mirror line?  Do you use the Edit Area Visible tool or just a mirror?  With the EAV tool, most dims mirror ok, I still have cleanup.  But it also did not pick up the sections.

 

I will keep this mind for sure, if another comes up.  I manually redid every section again.   Believe it or not, I'm on my second mirrored plan this week (I prob won't have another for a few years now), this one didn't get past the approval stages before they wanted it flipped.  That was easy.

 

3 hours ago, johnny said:

it generally keeps the page layout elements in roughly the same position

I like this too... 

[johnny]

On 3/17/2026 at 7:40 PM, mtldesigns said:

 sections, elevations on their own. 

I should have added that all the notes, CAD, and callouts which don't flip with the plan.  Obviously the plan flips so does everything else in a live view.  Its just we have all those extra things so the box beforehand makes it easier.

[BenPalmer]

On 3/17/2026 at 4:09 PM, johnny said:

We developed a fairly efficient method by first drawing a bounding box around the outermost X and Y elements, then placing a centerline through that box. From there, we perform an area select (grabbing everything), and use the mirror tool....excluding the box and centerline from the selection. This process is repeated for all elements that need to be mirrored, including sections, elevations, and any other drawings. It’s a bit faster than other approaches, though not perfect.

 

One advantage over the "reverse plan" tool is that it generally keeps the page layout elements in roughly the same position. Overall, it’s the most effective method we’ve come up with so far.

 

This is how we do it as well.

[winterdd]

On 3/15/2026 at 8:03 AM, joey_martin said:

It's a PITA. You will need to do some manual cleanup of the sections and elevations. 

My change order fees cover 100% cleanup work on mirrored homes. Huge mess on elevations and cross sections.

[mtldesigns]

7 hours ago, winterdd said:

My change order fees cover 100% cleanup work on mirrored homes

I def charged for this fiasco..  even though the extra $$ was nice, the time could have been used more productively (I think I had 6 hours into this).  I understand clients might change their minds, but this still should have been caught during approval.  Its a done deal now, but I will keep what you fella's mentioned if it ever happens again, hopefully not.