mkennedy2000 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I havent thought this through, at all, but.... I think I might like the ide of a revision schedule. I could create a note type that would have its symbol driven by that schedule. I'll look into custom schedules as a starting point - can I create and save multiple custom schedules in my pfrofie plans? Will this be a better tool than the layout revision tool? Any thoughts, directions, comments or experience would be welcome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, mkennedy2000 said: can I create and save multiple custom schedules in my profile plans? Not if your Forum sig. is accurate x9 does not have that feature AFAIR? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Ahh, I should take the version out of my signature, or try to remember to edit my signature. I've got x13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Yeah, I already updated, thanks. I'm on so rarely, and TBH, its never been an issue before, but I can see as the person originating a thread the version would be relevant. In the light of this new knowledge - any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 It would be extra work but if you see the value in having a reference marker or callout for the revisions then that is likely the way to go. Yes put as many preformatted custom schedules in your template file as you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 It should work , usually it is best practice to keep your Schedules in a CAD Detail, Rather than In Plan, but that maybe what you already do. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 What's the benefit of the schedule being in a detail rather than plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, mkennedy2000 said: What's the benefit of the schedule being in a detail rather than plan? It keeps your plan view clear which can be helpful or sometimes not so much if you are verifying the content of the schedule unless you do a split screen. Also it can help with performance. Possibly other things that will be added if I missed anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 I like the idea of a narrative, describing the changes and including an index or revisions and the sheets they are on. "R1 addresses city comments dated mm/dd/yy. Then a list of locations where the Delta symbol was inserted and an explanation of the revision . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 I go back and forth with stuff in plan, stuff in detail on plan, stuff in detail in layout. Ive never really settled on one being much better than another. I mostly do small plans, so dont really have hardware issues too often. Seems to me back in x11 or 12 they started to allow me to drag chief across multiple monitors, I do from time to time split my monitor, but I'd really rather drag windows onto a neighboring screen, just cuz thats my workflow in windows, a 37in monitor in the middle with a 32in panel on either side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, mkennedy2000 said: I go back and forth with stuff in plan, stuff in detail on plan, stuff in detail in layout. Ive never really settled on one being much better than another. I mostly do small plans, so dont really have hardware issues too often. Seems to me back in x11 or 12 they started to allow me to drag chief across multiple monitors, I do from time to time split my monitor, but I'd really rather drag windows onto a neighboring screen, just cuz thats my workflow in windows, a 37in monitor in the middle with a 32in panel on either side Hey old timer, It's really easy to organize and use the SAM method when holding a bunch of schedules in CAD. Not to mention you can have those schedules sent to layout already, which is also easier to do when they are in a placeholder position such as a CAD detail. For your revisions, easy to put together a custom revision note and a schedule. Give me a call and I can send my template your way, you might love it or may hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 hours ago, mkennedy2000 said: What's the benefit of the schedule being in a detail rather than plan? Other than the benefits already mentioned , it helps to keep CA from Lagging as Schedules get larger especially as every time you zoom in or out as 1 example CA has to rebuild (draw) all that Data again and again and you will likely see slow downs eg an X over the schedule as it redraws as you zoom. I have mine setup in my Template as others mentioned too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Renerabbitt said: Hey old timer, It's really easy to organize and use the SAM method when holding a bunch of schedules in CAD. Not to mention you can have those schedules sent to layout already, which is also easier to do when they are in a placeholder position such as a CAD detail. For your revisions, easy to put together a custom revision note and a schedule. Give me a call and I can send my template your way, you might love it or may hate it. I've been meaning to call anyway....lets catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Other than the benefits already mentioned , it helps to keep CA from Lagging as Schedules get larger especially as every time you zoom in or out as 1 example CA has to rebuild (draw) all that Data again and again and you will like see slow downs eg an X over the schedule as it redraws etc. I have mine setup in my Template as others mentioned too... That looks pretty nice, seems like a great starting point. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 And it seems to me if SAM is gaining\has gained ascendancy, we should be able to save multiple profiles, then when starting a ne plan you could manually select the profile, save a step and avoid accidentally failing to save as before editing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 SAM is basically a way of creating a comprehensive Template from an existing plan or layout. IMO the "Save as Template" tools available since X12 are the same thing but with more control over what's included and/or excluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 3 hours ago, mkennedy2000 said: And it seems to me if SAM is gaining\has gained ascendancy, we should be able to save multiple profiles, then when starting a ne plan you could manually select the profile, save a step and avoid accidentally failing to save as before editing... Not quite sure I'd call this the Sam Method but you can definitely have multiple different Templates for different types of Work or Styles , then you just use "New From Template> (pick template) instead of using the New Plan Icon which could still be used for you usual Template of course. * Like Joe I also like(d) the new(ish) ability to make older plans into Templates , though with X13 I am not 100% sure it is a good idea anymore except from X13 plans, as some Defaults seem to get messed up in X13 using a X12 Plan or older as the new Template ..... for eg. I was finding strange things happing with dimensioning which got a big overhaul in X13 M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkennedy2000 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Thanks for the direction Joe - I hadn't noticed the new from template tool, just what I described. I'm not sure why I couldn't develop a template with all the same information I'd use an SAM base plan? Kbird, the new(ish) button may just motivate me to build some templates, I've been threatening to adopt SAM for years...and years... You make an excellent point re: building fresh templates, which I'd be doping, but boy, it would be annoying to have 50 or 100 hours into templates and them all go wonky after an update. Remember back around v5 or v6? The symbols completely changed and old plans were unopenable in the updated version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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