ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You have to do it in the sequence I described in post #21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You can also draw a plain polyline in plan, shape it as crazy as you want, use the "convert polyline" tool to a "polyline solid", assign a thickness, & then tilt it in elevation. Gotta group select it in elevation. Who knew? Tommy knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I have to draw a p-line shape it then convert to slab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You can also break an edge in plan & reshape however you want. here's a plan. Solids drawn in plan.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Jim is right about the solid. I was wrong. When I looked back into a plan I did years ago, I used a roof to get the look. I was wrong and forgot. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Tommy, I think the "secret" is whether it's originally drawn in plan or elevation. Polyline solid drawn in plan has some editing options I wasn't aware of. We were just discussing slabs/solids, when to use what at our last mtg. At least Monday hasn't been a total loss anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicinus Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I however is as confused as ever. Thanks for all the suggestions guys, will eventually figure it out I hope. I downloaded the plan and it becomes somewhat easier to grasp if looking in plan and elevation at the same time in two windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Tommy, I think the "secret" is whether it's originally drawn in plan or elevation. Polyline solid drawn in plan has some editing options I wasn't aware of. We were just discussing slabs/solids, when to use what at our last mtg. At least Monday hasn't been a total loss anyway. Holy f'ing komoley, I don't know how to use this yet... but I have never seen this, and I don't even know how to do what jim did. Jim, you did not draw this in elevation, you drew in plan.... correct? And if this is correct, how did did you "TILT" it? This is so weird, if I look at it in plan view, there are TWO, I said TWO images of the psolid. Wow, I don't think TB knew about it, Jim thought TB knew about it, so Jim found something that I do not think too many people, including TB even knew existed, . Hey Jim, help me out here... you drew it in plan.. correct? And then you tilted it, correct? How did you tilt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yes Scott, the polyline solid was originally drawn in plan. It can be tilted in an elevation by group selecting it. It is squirrelly-looking in plan when selected. But it's pretty much editable like a slab as far as shape (in plan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ...... It can be tilted in an elevation by group selecting it. ....... Jim, this is so weird, how do you group select a psolid in elevation if it is drawn in plan? Well one way is to select it and then shift and select another PSOLID that happens to be there...... this is bizarre........ or you can select it, hold down shift key and reselect and now you can rotate it.... but it is rotating around something somewhere else in the cosmos.... this is so bizarre..... I have to think about this for a day or so...... what an interesting thread.... Who started this dang thread..... this is going to cost me a lot of money and time figuring out this mess........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicinus Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 When I click on the object in plan it jumps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicinus Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Who started this dang thread..... this is going to cost me a lot of money and time figuring out this mess........ Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Polyline solids are FULLY editable only in the view they are created in, whether in plan or cross section elevation. In a view other than the one it was created in, a polyline solid can only be made larger or smaller. So if you start in cross section, you can reshape a polyline solid to look like a sloped slab (you will be looking at it on edge), for example, then in plan you can enlarge it to cover a area with four sides; but you will not be able to manipulate it to fill an L-shape area (you could using two separate polyline solids, one for each area).On the other hand, if you start in plan, you can manipulate a polyline solid to fill an L-shape area, but when you go to cross section elevation you will not be able to slope it (you can only change its overall size), that is, unless your change the polyline solid to a SOLID first (while you are in plan; look for the Convert to Solid tool at the bottom). In that case, you would be able to rotate it in cross section elevation.I don't know how Tommy was able to both slope a polyline solid in elevation AND reshape it in plan view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ....... I don't know how Tommy was able to both slope a polyline solid in elevation AND reshape it in plan view. He wasn't, and he has now conceded this. He has admitted that he was mistaken. But with that said, this is some weird stuff that I have not seen before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Here is what a polyline solid posing as a slab looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I don't think it "jumps" anywhere, you just get a red outline that is not where the object really is. & you edit that red outline. Group selecting- several ways to do that; select an object/ hold down shift key & select it again. select it, hold down the shift key, select something else, then deselect that 2nd selection. Hold the shift key down & draw a selection box around the object. Whatever way gets the rotate handle to appear. I think once the polyline solid starts getting irregularly shaped in plan, group selecting gets more difficult. Pretty weird stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ......select it, hold down the shift key, select something else, then deselect that 2nd selection............ Now this is interesting..... I tried to do a TRANSFORM/REPLICATE after doing Jim's suggestion, I got something really odd....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Using two polyline solids to create a sloped slab in an L-shaped garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've sloped a polyline solid in elevation several times today, & I've also edited the shape in a 3D camera. so I don't know what you're stating here, MickeyToo. The "convert to solid" on the edit toolbar is curious. never noticed that until you just mentioned it. I do think that the polyline solid gets more difficult to group select (for sloping) in an elevation as the 2D plan view shape gets irregular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 You are correct, ebdesign. A polyline solid that is created in plan view where it can be reshaped to say, cover the area of an L-shaped garage, can then be group selected in cross section elevation and rotated/sloped. I had tried this prior to my post but could not group select the polyline solid (I was able to do so using one of the other methods in your subsequent post - thanks). It is interesting that the rotation behavior is this case is the same as for the SOLID, and is quite different from the control you have when starting with a polyline solid in elevation. Of course, then it is not fully editable in plan, which then leads to the question of why polyline solids are NOT fully editable in both views??? In any event, if Chief would only provide control for sloping a slab in the specifications dialog (something that is long over due), we could use all this valuable time and energy on doing what we bought Chief for - designing structures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicinus Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Another way would be to implement improved poly line tools that can manipulate individual vertices and anchor points, this would enhance 2D cad as well as 3D modeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 It would be nice for CA to add this to their list up future updates. It would be a simple child dialog box when making a garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 A workaround for now is, use a ramp and remove the floor in the Garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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