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Thanks so much for checking, I could of sworn it was possible at one time.

hmmmm... do you think I tried it already?

Take a look at the picture of window. Do you think you can turn this into a round window with a vertical and horizontal mullion? I don't think so (unless you use custom mullions). Why can't we have a round fixed glass window with a vertical and horizontal mullion. I thought at one time we could..... I check with X6 and not possible.... maybe I could with X3......

Yep, I had to wait until I got into office to watch on computer. I do not think Steve Jobs wanted Adobe Flash Player on his IPADS.

Just goofing with you DG.

Glenn, was this another one of your tricky vids where you manipulated the process off screen. I did see how you created the bearer or how you manipulated shape, size and spacing of the footings. Did you watch vid?

Dennis, would it be possible to get a wall mounted tv with a toilet paper holder?

Good suggestion

You said something that is very important to understand. The conc footings are actually walls. They behave as most walls behave.

Thanks Joe for responding. You confirmed the issue. An issue that has been an issue since I was a babe in diapers. I have a feeling headquarters will fix this soon.

20 years ago I rarely did cabinet elevations, 10 years ago I did not do 3D renderings... To answer your question, no I do not have to have them, do I want them? Yes, why wouldn't I. has it been an issue to date? No. But if we want to be able to communicate to the homeowner and the cabinet guy and the electrician... somewhere down the line we need to have a dialog in regards to how the electrical outlets get laid out. Are they vertical or horizontal etc. I am sure Mark The Cabinet Guy has to deal with this. I am assuming he would like this. Larry, for the last 250 years we have not had them, I suppose we can go another 40 years without locating outlets in islands in 3D.

Yes, I understand that, I suppose my question is why don't they behave correctly. What the heck is a cabinet outlet if they do not automagically align correctly and look good in 3D. Mick, I have been using these crappy cabinet outlets for 10 years, and by heck and by golly they work for me if I fuss with them.... I don't want to fuss with them anymore and I bet CA does not want us to fuss with them anymore. Please CA, just fix them already. We have all noticed the power users who have piped in and commented that they have sent this in to be fixed innumerable times... let's just fix this for us lazy golfers who no longer want to fuss with them. Thank you. I have retired from participating in this thread. I hope you guys all feel bad, I was really planning on a nice lunch for the winner.

The problem with Joey's solution is the step is now about 12" inside closet. However this might be good because the way you have it set up, the closet slab is 6" lower than foyer slab/.... is that what you wanted? My solution in this video does not have joeys problem, however I minimize the footing between closet and bath from 26" to 12" AND I ALIGNED THE FOOTING WITH EDGE. The two things I did to make it work was to align the edge of slab with footing..... I think this i acceptable, you decide, and I also move a wall forward and then back and did a rain dance around my computer and it was fixed. One of those situation where you have to kick the tires, say a couple of curse words and pray to the CA gods and all will be well. http://youtu.be/5c-L3daok0A

Thanks Tommy, I have been doing the workaround for 10 years. I am simply trying to get CA to fix something that should of been fixed 10 years ago. I believe this issue has been reported multiple times by multiple users, and for it not to be fixed is not good. I would like to think this is a very very easy fix for the folks at headquarters. I believe there has been a lot of wasted man hours by not only me, you, DJP, Perry, New York Greg, Mick...... and countless others looking for a good solution, and we have all failed. Please CA, let's fix this. In fact if one of the Gurus at headquarters fixes this before the UGM, I will take him or her out to a lunch of their choice when I visit in Aug-Sept. It is that important to me that this gets fixed that I would be willing to fork out countless dollars (as long as it does not exceed the cost of a Happy Meal), to get this fixed.

Tommy, I have not seen a plan of yours that solves the problem. I know you plan on explaining how to do it in your workshop tonight, but for those of us unable to attend, would it be possible for you to post a plan tomorrow with outlets that work. I don't even care if I know how to do it, if I can copy your outlets and put in my plan I will be one happy camper and I will take you out to a wonderful lunch of your choice.

The lunch has not been awarded yet. I have a feeling there will be no winners. The task is to be able to copy an outlet and paste it on all four sides of an island, and for it to look good in 2D and 3D. Isn't that what happens when we put an outlet on all 4 walls of a room? It looks good in 2D and 3D? I do not understand why the folks at headquarters can not give us (2) outlets, one horizontal and one vertical, that we can paste on the side of an island. I have not done a kitchen in the last 20 years that does not have an island. This is not a rare circumstance. Every one of my jobs has an island that needs electrical outlets.

Please check it, no lunch for New York Greg.

No lynch for Mick. See picture.

Mark, no lunch for you. As you can see by the pic, if I copied and outlet to other sides of the island, it did n to work in 2d or 3d.

DJP, I was counting on you. When I opened the plan, the picture will show you what I saw. No lunch for you.

I'm not in office, can not verify last 3 posts, but watching DJP's solution was just too easy. Do I really have to take DJP to lunch? Thanks David, I will check it out in the AM.

Talk is cheap, post the plan please. Is there a problem sharing your solution with the rest of us?

Now that I think of it, I think we should extend this contest to the gurus at CA. I am sure they can solve this issue in about 5.68 minutes. I wish someone had asked them to do this about 10 years ago.

lol, I understand.

Now, one of the reasons the judges required a plan to determine a winner is for this very reason. If you look at New York Greg's solution, I think you will agree with our judges that New York Greg does not win the No Expense Paid Vacation to San Diego. Whilst the 3D view looks great, I think many of us will not approve of the plan view. P.S...... I just saw the Kayak reference..... lol...... a private joke amongst the workshop attendees.