HumbleChief

Curious, are any of you using DropBox? I had crazy delays when using Chief, as that's what I use all day, and THINK I tracked it down to DB taking forever to synch download or whatever it does. I deleted DB, reinstalled it and back to OK again. Not sure if OneDrive or other cloud services might cause similar delays?

THANKS Mick.

Curious why you would have "Temp and Undo folders myself onto my fastest Drive (NVME)" C: drive, but the data folder on what might we assume is the slower A: drive?

Understood, Chief is behaving badly. I've had this happen before and just adjusted the measurements to the nearest decimal place I am looking for but understand the frustration and the obvious bug.

Can you just change the absolute values to reflect the 2 decimal places? Or is it more a matter of Chief behaving badly?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/configuration-of-the-my-documents-folder-dfd9a90d-8f80-18d6-e7cc-f1566fc3b10b

Not sure you need Real Time Ray Tracing and not sure of exact specs but the minimums link show you need a RX 6000 if you want to do RTRT? Are the camera views the weak link? https://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-02761/chief-architect-minimum-system-requirements.html#X13 Minimum: Video Card: 2 GB of dedicated video memory or Gen9/Skylake or newer Intel integrated graphics chipset DirectX 12 supporting Shader Model 6 for a Windows-based PC macOS GPUFamily2 v1 for a Mac For GPU real-time ray tracing, a Windows 10 computer with an NVIDIA RTX or an AMD Radeon RX 6000 series graphics card is required. 5 GB of available hard disk space Internet access 8 GB of RAM 64-bit Windows 10 / 11 macOS 10.15 / 11 (Catalina / Big Sur)

I would think it's really hard to know exactly where the sluggish is coming from but I wouldn't point to memory as a starting place. Chief uses the CPU and the graphics card (GPU) to do all of the work on a plan/renders/camera views etc. and any 'speed' or lack thereof likely has to come from those two components. Where is it sluggish'? Plan draw/redraw? Undo? Rendering? RTRT? Camera views? Everywhere? And as you know it might be just as fast as your older system but nothing worse than the 'feeling' of sluggish with a new rig.

Nice systems and specs and as always it becomes a matter of budget. https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-x17-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-x17-r1-laptop#configurations_section

LOTS of good choices among that line of LapTops. Looks like you'll pay for faster/better graphics card. 3060/3070/3080 in ascending order and SSD choices. I saw a couple that spec'd 1 TB SSD - that's NOT what you want. Make sure it's says PCIe NVMe SSD in the specs. similar to below. Again more SSD storage, more money, but those laptops looks great in my opinion and would buy as much as I could afford. https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-Keyboard-Windows-G713QR-ES96/dp/B08SJNPG9H/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=asus+rog+strix+g17+3080&qid=1639164735&s=electronics&sr=1-4 https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-Gaming/All-series/filter?SubSeries=ROG-Strix Cris, be a bit wary of all the spec's. Their web site says 1TB NVMe SSD but if you serach for the same model on Amazon there's no NVMe SSD.

I don't think the UHD graphics card is not going to be much fun and RayTracing uses the CPU and Camera Views use the GPU or UHD graphics card. Again that UHD graphics card will not be much fun, if it works at all.

I wonder if ogee isn't the OG of counter top edges? Just sayin'

I installed a new hard drive and a new copy of Win 10 and Chief and have a new folder (short cut) I've never seen called Documents>Files on My Computer>Chief Architect Premier X13 Data. When in preferences it doesn't show that folder/short cut and seems to point the proper data folder but was curious as I've never seen that before. I also find this preference in the last pic a bit strange - pointing to DropBox>Chief Architect Premier X13 Data Thanks

Same here can't go back to any other type.

Kinda funny but within that last link I posted re: Mark's video card this system below popped up. Seems like a very nice system for a very reasonable price. https://www.newegg.com/p/2E6-00BC-00BV5?Description=RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra Gaming&cm_re=RTX_3070 XC3 Ultra Gaming-_-9SIAJGZGYX1594-_-Product&quicklink=true

Curious as to what card you settled on Mark. I found this "RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra Gaming" https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=RTX+3070+XC3+Ultra+Gaming

The older 'cards' don't really RayTrace as that function has more to do with the CPU speed and cores than the Graphics card's speed. The new RTX cards do what's called Real Time Ray Tracing where the Ray Tracing function is off loaded from the CPU to the GPU resulting in much faster Ray Trace times. Obviously there's a lot of technical subtlety involved so if you do indeed decide to upgrade do a bunch more research before doing so as nothing sucks more than a new machine does not do what you expect it to.

The RTX cards are recommended to run Real Time Ray Tracing (RTRT) but aren't needed if that's not a priority and any upgrade suggestions ALWAYS include getting the fastest and most of everything the budget will allow. My system in the sig below is pretty old now but runs Chief fine until plans get to a certain size. I don't do any RayTracing any more so the older 1080 video card works just fine - for me. One thing you could do is check other posters at random and check out their signatures as most have that filled out with the current computer specs. That could give you an idea of "What everyone else is using."

What are you using?

Which is, to me, the most important question, and almost impossible to answer without throwing down the cash to find out. I had an older dual Xeon machine that would chug through Ray Traces, which is what it was designed for, but was pretty slow through most of Chief's operations day to day. I upgraded to my current rig and it was way, way, faster but don't know where to go for an upgrade from here.

The only reason one might want to wait to get a new NVMe drive is the upcoming PCIe 5.0 protocol that will double throughput over the current PCIe 4.0. The current 4.0 drives will remain 4.0 drives even in a newer 5.0 system. And yes by all means use Macrium Reflect. Didn't work for me this time but has worked flawlessly in the past.

Same experience here. Didn't stop me from thinking that a new hard drive would be noticeably faster but sometimes I just like new stuff.

Not quite. You would need a new motherboard to support the faster Gen 4.0 PCIe protocol. That 4.0 will get you the faster NVMe M.2 PCIe speeds that Mick mentioned above. But they're working on Gen 5 now so...

Yeah same here P. Never really seen this crazy of a slowdown and it may be a material or some other factor that turning off auto framing is masking. The new hard drive required a new Windows and Chief install and when reopening the plan a few materials were missing and the plan was never this slow before that new hard drive and new install

Steve, this post is incorrect! I was curious why ASUS didn't simply list the PCIe generation in the marketing info but if you click on tech specs you'll see that the motherboard only support gen 3 PCIe speeds. They do note some kind of 4x PCIe info (which I've learned 4x is the number of 'lanes' available) but it's only gen 3 PCIe.