ValleyGuy

This may be close enough, make your treads with 0 overhang and about 16" thick, open risers and open underneath.

At the top beside File Edit Build, you can go into Terrain and then rebuild your terrain. Every time you move / build / change something, it will probably re-appear. You may want to check the Auto Build Terrain to stop this.

.... just read a little further along in the thread above to where it says "@JiAngelo has a great way to do it in X16, but you won't be able to use it in X14 as there is no Object Information header." This may help. In your original post, you wanted ...."Ideally I want internal, external and total sizes for each unit." I am a little unclear now of the...'I just want the total Room 1 size.' I'm guessing that you mean the total size for the whole Unit 1. Here are two different types of schedules used in X14. Maybe one or both of these will help. Without getting into Macros, one schedule with multiple totals, for each of the units showing the individual rooms grouped and then total, isn't possible. You could stack the individual schedules tightly on your layout to appear as one table. Side Note: I wouldn't mess around with room types at all - a kitchen is a kitchen whether it is unit 103 or unit 814. You want to attach each specific kitchen to a specific schedule for each unit. Let the schedule parameters define the different unit groupings, it will be much easier. I did change the Room Names to show in the plan view. Note the columns chosen for each schedule. This is the Final Product... This is the Poly Line Schedule on the left above (only one area measurement per poly line)... This is the Room Area Schedules with the individual rooms listed then Total (both interior and standard area included)...

@JKEdmo thanks Jim, I did find them where you said to look. It is a little weird that they aren't included in the regular catalogs too, just like the Crime Scene and Medical. Thanks again, Shayne

I don't even show those particular 3D options, not even under search. I see the Crime Scene and have already purchased the Medical/Dental a couple of years ago. I have a few listed 3D plants that show a price (free with my SSA) but is there a special place that you are finding these other 3D plant options??? This is all that I have for options. My SSA Expires Aug 2025

That would be a great idea. We have had a good week talking about schedules and the need for improvement. Maybe make a request to keep the momentum going.

@JiAngelo has a great way to do it in X16, but you won't be able to use it in X14 as there is no Object Information header. You can achieve similar results, you just need to drive the Custom Category from the schedule and not the Room Specification.

Yes, I've seen requests before, I'll send another one along. It really would be very helpful, especially OOTB as there are so many new things to learn when you first start using the program.

I guess one could manipulate the schedule even further to more resemble the OP example. Put a bunch of spaces behind the Title Square Foot Table to push it to the left. Eliminate the border lines. Add a space between the items and the total: Open up the schedule > Columns/Rows > Minimum Rows (9 items + 1 space = 10). It does look nice and clean.

Yes I agree, something that is required on every set of plans should have some effort made to be OOTB, and without so much frustration to operate. I should have manipulated the schedule's look a little in the video to better mimic his example. It's not perfect and does require a little bit of maintenance to Total, but this is the closest that I could get to looking like the OP. Of course, one can include / exclude whatever info was needed in the schedule (maybe exclude the hard surfaces like I have in the video example if so desired, or make a separate schedule). This is what I did to change the schedule's look.

As @Renerabbitt has stated above, you can have a dynamic schedule that actually works off of the items in your plan now in X16 - not off of 'work around' CAD poly lines in Custom Fields anymore. Living area rooms, non-living area rooms and even 3D solids such as patios, driveways, walkways. It is pretty cool to be able to leave out the stairwell without doing anything "special". I'm not advanced enough to total things yet but this might get you started on a path to solve that hurdle... Hope this helps, and if anyone has additional tips to share, thanks in advance.

If you have a room that does not need baseboards, just open up the room and remove the baseboard trim profile under the Mouldings Header. For the rooms that you want the baseboard to count on a materials list: 1) include a baseboard profile under the Mouldings Header, 2) go into the Components Header and select baseboard, 3) choose an ID such as Interior Trim, 4) take a peak at the way it will be measured under the Count, such as LFT, 5) go to your Material List Default and make sure that you include your ID (Interior Trim), as well as the column Count. It should show up for you in a materials list.

This clever idea works out very well indeed. (I made a second copy in my library in the reverse position - to place on whichever side of the door that I want to read it from.) The sign is always visible when that individual door is present, and not visible when the door is not. There are two parts to this statement that I really appreciate: one is the fact that the sign will stay with the individual door and that door's layer line - no separate layer to place the sign on. It's already pre-programmed for every layer line that I might place this door on, for each of the different layer sets. I can place this same sign on many doors, customize the sign's colour, location and door side placement - and then not worry whether it will show up in any of the views. The second part is the sign will slide / swing with the door. It acts just like a piece of the door. It doesn't resize if the door is resized, which isn't much of a problem as code here has made pretty much every door 36" now. Nice little tip, thanks TeaTime

I try and stay away from all the size confusion issues with scaling. This inch size : foot on this or that layout using this or that text size.... I just made two different sized CAD hex shape groups (blocked together with numbers) saved to the library. One set for the elevation at about 2.75", and one set at 15" to match my chosen schedule symbol size. No matter what scale I send the elevation out to the layout, the symbol is always the same size in comparison to the cabinets. The schedule is kept on it's own CAD sheet and no matter what scale I need to make it fit onto the layout, they always stay in sync. I have a saved Kitchen Notes schedule in my plan template that is set up with the proper sized note symbol default, so I just drop a note on the CAD sheet and use the library saved symbols.

Here are a few things to try; - check to see if your roof plane is out past the edge of the wall, attic walls won't generate if there isn't an attic - make sure in defaults -> wall -> general that auto rebuild attic wall is toggled on. - check to see if your window wall is toggled on as a gable wall - it looks like your 2nd floor attic wall is generated and visible, maybe check to see in plan view if there is a small attic wall already made, it just may be on a layer that is not visible in this 3D view layer set (check the actual wall specification layers in the display column to see what layer the siding is actually on) - If there is a wall, check to see that it is not toggled as invisible, or has an exterior layer that is 'no material' If these don't solve your problem, probably posting your plan will yield a solution.

I ran into this problem before, same result of not filling in between the floor and the ceiling, but because of a different issue. You must use a wall that has layers, it is the wall's layers that becomes the fill-in material. I used a wall divider, that had no material layers, to define the loft with a separate rail (no room, no locate) inboard a little.

Thanks DB, this will get me to where I want it to be. Thanks for the tip on Transparent, I hadn't learned that yet.

There doesn't seem to be a 'Label' data box under roofs in the defaults. Is there a way to set a macro or is the 'automatic' label default hard coded and the only way to change the roof label is by opening up each new roof?

That's what I do, break the wall and reverse if more than one door resides on a single wall and they swing from opposite sides, keeping the edit handle always on the side pushing the door away from my little imaginary footprints. This then lines up my schedule with how I used to sell doors, RH or LH hinged interior doors. In my part of the world, door manufacturers sell interior doors by the hinged side pushing the door away from you if you were standing inside the jamb.

I'm guessing that regardless of which direction one would draw a wall, CA has decided to give a 'face' to one side. My theory is that the edit handle side is this 'face'. I just use that old saying ...' most everything we need to know, we learned by the age of 5...' "get behind the line" kinda stuck with me. If you pretend to be standing behind the edit handle, anything going away from you will be positive, and anything coming back toward you will be negative. It helps me remember the label, single sided hardware (dummy handles), and proper showing / swing designation in door schedules. So far old Mrs. Brown from pre-school hasn't let me down.

Hey Jim I understand, sounds like over riding the label with text is your easiest way lol.

I'm not sure how tight your ridge and heel tolerances, but wouldn't it be easiest to lock the base or soffit height and change the pitch to the 1/4"? This ridge looks like it might only climb or fall by 3/4".

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, .... turkey, pumpkin pie and a good afternoon nap never get old eh? You are correct about the numbers, I made a boo boo on the interior wall designations and had them reversed. That's how easy it is to mess this up - a better system with a lot fewer manual entries would be much more superior and safer if any revisions had to be made. I put some numbers on a text graph to show the calculations for the wall sides, and they seem very close. I had to add in the wall area of the bath/closet wall (W05) butting into W06/W08 and W01/W13 walls (4.5"w X 118 1/8"h = 3.69 sqft). I'm not exactly sure what the program uses for the windows and doors, I just used the numbers from the window/door schedule. I would think that it is definitely within my acceptable level of accuracy for doing any take-offs. I did notice something else as well, the CA help files may need a little amendment too. The ID categories didn't actually follow the order as per their list...

I don't know how to put any material list info into a nice neat schedule, but this is the best that I can come up with.... It would be great if Chief could come up with a better / easier system to provide the wall information into the schedules.

Yes, I currently take an elevation of each wall and use see-though coloured CAD boxes with area macros for exterior walls an openings. I found it easier to provide the sizes and let whoever do the math that's required (siding take off, limiting distances, percentages,...) fewer shots taken at the messenger. Everything on the material list is dynamic driven by the component, no formula manipulation on my part. I'm not sure if this will further your cause, but with a little effort, one is able to accomplish what @AdrienS_FX was after in the OP above - use the material list to show the actual painted surface area of each wall. It is fully dynamic in X16 and seems to be fairly accurate. I didn't do any calculations to any fractions of the inch by taking the walls and ceiling layers out. It's late and I have to get some sleep for the big Thanksgiving turkey dinner tomorrow.