English Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I have several mulled windows but they show up in the schedule as individual windows. For example one mulled window shows a tag on the plan as W3 and the other as W8 an din the schedule with individual headers. Shouldn't they show up as a mulled unit with a common header?Thanksalan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I have several mulled windows but they show up in the schedule as individual windows. For example one mulled window shows a tag on the plan as W3 and the other as W8 an din the schedule with individual headers. Shouldn't they show up as a mulled unit with a common header? Thanks alan In the Label for the mulled unit check the radio button "Show Single Label for Entire Unit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Alan, there is a problem with mulled windows and schedules. This has been confirmed (see link) but hasn't been fixed yet. This has been a problem even in previous versions. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5150-schedules-and-mulled-windows/?hl=%2Bmulled+%2Bwindows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Okay thanks guys I'll look into that. I see that a moderator was going to share with his team but that was almost a year ago. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 On a similar note, if I mull 3 28/52 together what should the total length of the unit be? Is it dependent on how close I put the windows to each other? If so what is the correct distance between them? My 3 units are showing in the schedule as W04-10152MU and their total width 121". Three 32" wide windows should measure 96" right but doesn't the manufacturer but a filler in between each window? Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Alan, It depends on the manufacturer. Some use a filler between and others just a frame around the outside with the units butted together. You probably need to decide how you want it in the plan depending on the way the manufacturer does it. I've even had some manufacturers that sent the pieces separately to be "mulled in the field". For that reason I generally show the individual unit labels rather than a single label for the mulled unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Alan, there is a problem with mulled windows and schedules. This has been confirmed (see link) but hasn't been fixed yet. This has been a problem even in previous versions. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5150-schedules-and-mulled-windows/?hl=%2Bmulled+%2Bwindows I wouldn't call what the moderator said in that thread a confirmation that it's a problem. They just said they would share the behavior with the team. The team may very well have looked at it and said "That's how its supposed to work". Anyway, I really think they work exactly like they're supposed to . I responded with my explanation in that thread so as not to hijack this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 Does the Minimum Distance between windows set the width of the mull? For example if I want a single stud between do I set the minimum distance to 1½"?Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 This might answer your question, I'm not sure, but...You can "mull" windows together so long as they're within 24" of each other. The "mullion" width is simply decided by how far you space the windows from each other. If you uncheck "Single Wall Hole" on the options tab for the mulled unit, the openings will frame separately. So, if you want a single stud between them, then space them accordingly. In that case, its wouldn't truly be a mulled unit in my opinion...just 2 (or more) windows with some shared molding(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Michael I guess I shouldn't have used the word stud. If for instance the manufacturer adds a filler between the individual windows to mull them together and that filler is 1½" thick then does setting the Minimum Distance Between Windows to 1½" space them apart 1½"?Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 No. Unless you've deleted your window frames or made them less than 3/4", making the separation zero would give you a 1-1/2" mullion. 3/4" frame + 3/4" frame = 1-1/2" between sashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Michael So if the manufacturer adds a say a 2" filler between the casings how do I set that -- set the minimum distance to 2"? Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Michael So if the manufacturer adds a say a 2" filler between the casings how do I set that -- set the minimum distance to 2"? Thanks Alan You just need to do the math. It depends on your frame and sash settings and the window manufacturer's frame and sash construction. All the minimum separation does is tells the program the minimum distance you want between any given window frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Sorry to be pedantic over this Michael, but to get the correct rough opening I would need to a.) determine the thickness of the filler that the manufacturer used when they mull the units b.) set the windows apart from each other to account for the mull. I am assuming for this situation that the manufacturers frame and sash settings are the same as CA defaults. I am also assuming for this situation that the rough opening for the two mulled windows that is shown in the window schedule is a function of the rough opening for each window plus how much I set them apart from each other to account for the mull. Am I out in left field on this?ThanksAlan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Stop assuming anything. If you are going to choose the window manufactures for the given project, then you are going to have to put in some time learning how that particular manufacture put the units together. Most, if not all door and window manufactures will have details on their website covering the various situations, and will have literature readily available to describe the process, and give their suggested rough opening. I think, and I don't mean to offend, that you are also assuming Chief Architect is going to replace you a designer and make multiple decisions and standards for you....it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Joey I get your point. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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