lbuttery Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm surprised that from the Annoset dbx or the Layerset display options dbx that there is no way to get to the CAD defaults setup dbx Am I missing something yes, I can get to CAD default setup by clicking the Defaults icon on the toolbar or the CAD defaults icon on the toolbar I would think to be consistent there would be an edit icon (pencil) on the annoset dbx like there is for dims, rich text, text, callouts, markers, arrows ??? If I'm not missing anything - I'll post this in suggestions Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 ok, I was just looking at the "active defaults" dbx I would think to be consistent there would be an edit icon (pencil) on dbx like there is for dims, rich text, text, callouts, markers, arrows ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm also wondering why Chief has a menu choice under CAD for "current CAD layer" and a toolbar icon for "current CAD layer" when the "current cad layer" can be found on the "active defaults" dbx since the "active defaults" dbx has all the other defaults also why have a dbx that is solely for the "current cad layer" ??? Is this a leftover feature from versions prior to the introduction of the "active defaults" feature ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Lew, looks like you are talking to yourself again. If you keep that up the guy's in white coats will be showing up. It will be awhile before I can comment on that stuff, I still fumbling around for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I use current cad layer for framing plan a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I use current cad layer for framing plan a lot Perry: ok, so why can't you use the "active defaults" dbx for that ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I use current cad layer for framing plan a lot Perry: ok, so why can't you use the "active defaults" dbx for that ??? Lew I bet he could but his method is quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 his method is quicker Scott: how is it quicker ??? it does the same thing .... Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 it does the same thing .... Lew Good software design allows endusers to achieve an outcome via different methods and paths, because every user sees things... ... ... differently. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 achieve an outcome via different methods and paths Jon: agreed this would encompass having the same feature/tool available via menu or icon or hotkey etc but having two dbx's by different names doing the same thing ? especially when the one dbx can only do task A while the other can do a multitude of tasks I don't understand where the benefit is in having the "current cad layer" dbx anymore it's a leftover from versions prior to the "active defaults" dbx being introduced now it just adds confusion Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just because, that's why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Perry: got it Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I use a toolbar icon always on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Perry: the "active defaults" dbx also has a toolbar icon Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Perry: the "active defaults" dbx also has a toolbar icon Lew I CREATE MY OWN TOOLBARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I CREATE MY OWN TOOLBARS Perry: OK, so do I what's that have to do with which icon to use ??? anyways, you prefer "current cad layer" - I get that it's up to CA to decide if it is redundant Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 it's up to CA to decide if it is redundant Lew, so why do you just complain about everything in a program that you say you never use much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Perry: I'm not complaining about these annoset topics trying to understand how the pieces and parts work and in doing so I found a few inconsistencies etc that CA may want to consider addressing I will probably never use annosets etc but my friend/partner is interested and I'm doing the research for him once I understand it, I'll show him the ropes also, once I understand annosets and the 3 dozen dbx's that are involved in the process I'm planning to post a recorded macro example for Glenn's challenge that he issued last week last week I was prepping for an open house for my new museum now I have a little time to kill I'm sorry that questions about Chief irritate you Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 You do realize that if CA updates or changes the '3 dozen dbx's' it can make your macros useless? Bill: useless ??? - no needing tweaks ??? maybe - depends on the change(s) even so, they are easily editable via notepad as I stated before there are a zillion VBA macros for Excel, Word, Powerpoint etc there are a zillion Ruby macros for Sketchup there are a zillion macros for other software some how they manage to stay current just bringing a plan from ver 5 into ver 6 can "break" things never assume a migration is 100% successful thus, I plan to also present (when time allows) how to use recordable macros for "regression testing" to help verify if the newest release has caused changes in a plan this is especially useful for new home builders with production lines if they create a set of macros to build a production house when the new release comes they run those macros and they should get the same house if the new versions has moved or eliminated settings then the macros will issue a warning/crash then once the macros can recreate the same house the user can add any new features and that becomes the baseline for the next upgrade Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCI_Design Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I use Current CAD layer alot for framing plans too. My frustration is when the layer won't stay where I put it. This seems to happen when I have multiple windows open and switch from one to the other. Then the Current CAD layer seems to jump around. So I go back to my framing plan and happily draft for 10 minutes only to find that I've been drafting on the wrong layer. When I change the current layer through the Active Defaults dbx then it seems to stay put better. Anybody have a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Anybody have a solution? Yes, use the "active defaults" dbx only the "current CAD layer" dbx is redundant - and no longer needed Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodCole Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I don't use the current CAD Layer tool much at all. I have been using working views in the layout for the various work environments that I need for specific settings. That way both the layer sets and the anno sets are working together to provide the settings I need for specific tasks. I keep the project browser open and assigned to a hot key so I can close it quickly if needed. I keep the plan at the top and the layout at the bottom and the pages open for viewing and selecting. I have found that it works better for me if I keep the layout tab at the far left and keep a minimum of windows open. Layout, Plan, Others. I have to move them around every so often, but it keeps things a little easier to follow that way. I also set many camera defaults to use Active Layer Set which works out fairly well using this methods. That is so long as you do things consistently. I am still finding new ways to use this method, and I also change things a bit from time to time, but I do like it very much in general. Does take some time to set it up and to get used to it though. Lew, glad to hear your project is doing well. Cad companies are often quite reluctant to do away with even the most useless of features for fear that someone might still be using them. Sounds to me like it is time for you to learn about Layer Sets, Anno Sets, Layout, and the power of working views. Hardly worth it, over and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Rod: I know much about layers and layersets and a decent amount about layouts concerning layout we had to do "permit sets" - never complete CD's just never had a need to get into anno-sets since I retired about the time they were introduced I'm studying them now with "newbie" eyes Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodCole Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 To clarify, I am speaking about the new features in X6 Layouts. Anno sets are now associated with individual Layout Views. Layer Sets were already associated with Layout Views, but now they both are as of X6. This opens the door to some interesting pre sets IMO. Good luck Lew, and don't hesitate to PM me if you need any help. I don't check it all that often, but go ahead and give it a try if you would like. I prefer preset working views, others may prefer to make settings on the fly very quickly. It appears that is why you are recieving resistence to your take on the "Current CAD Layer" dbx issue. IMO it is a losing game to try and remove something that others are using to advantage. 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 IMO it is a losing game to try and remove something that others are using to advantage Rod: I agree except in this case the "active defaults" dbx does the same thing AND offers access to the other defaults while the "current cad layer" dbx is limited to the one setting only so if they are using the "active defaults" dbx then there is no need to use "current cad layer" anymore if they are not using "active defaults" dbx then the question is - why not ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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