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I have a stepped foundation that is a pony wall with 8" foundation on the bottom half and 2x4 frame on top half.  I wish to lower the brick ledge on the 8" foundation, but the program is using the top of the foundation as the ledge and will not allow me to lower the ledge.  When I enter a ledge height, the program does not respond.  This only happens when I turn the foundation into a pony wall.  Can anyone help?

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Did you  open the pony wall dbx and don't see anywhere to set / change the bottom elevation of the rebate for the brick ledge? 

If you would, go to your profile, select and open it, then drop down to account settings and select, then on the lower left hand you will see "signature" please fill out your signature to include your computer hardware info, (I see you're using X9) but that would be helpful to include in your signature as well?  You should post the plan and most likely (if you don't get an answer without it) you'll have a better chance of getting a quick answer.

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Thanks Bob, I have added the signature information requested.  I am attaching a copy of the file in question.  Note that the file was greater than 25 MB, so I had to compress.  I left the right foundation wall a pure 8" concrete wall where you can see I am able to create a brick ledge.  On the left wall, I converted the foundation wall to a pony wall where the top half is a 2x4 frame and the bottom half is an 8" concrete wall.  Notice that the brick ledge disappears, and the brick sets on top of the concrete foundation.  When I go into the wall profile, I am able to change the brick ledge settings for both the top half and bottom half, but nothing happens, regardless of what settings I use.  For example, if i enter a 6" brick ledge for both the 2x4 wall and the foundation, the brick continues to sit on the top of the concrete foundation and the brick is not extended down to a ledge.

ky home stripped down.7z

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6 hours ago, mkhatem said:

I have a stepped foundation that is a pony wall with 8" foundation on the bottom half and 2x4 frame on top half.  I wish to lower the brick ledge on the 8" foundation

 

Where does the brick ledge go?

 

Where is brick in this assembly?

 

Can you post a detail showing what you want to model?

 

Also best to post a .zip file, not everyone can work with a .7z.

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The following image is the left hand side of the foundation where I have made the foundation a pony wall.  Notice that the brick sits atop the concrete foundation.  I wish to have the brick come down over the concrete 6" to a brick ledge.  image.thumb.png.cbbeb92e302789549d1cde069e19372f.png  The following is a detail of the right side where the foundation is all concrete.  Notice that the brick comes down to a ledge.  image.thumb.png.d71bddbc2b80e4202dc1e90da00e7ef6.png  Now if I were to change the right side to a pony wall with the upper half being 2x4 and the bottom concrete, the ledge will go away and the brick will sit directly on top of the concrete foundation.  Now, I can go into the wall properties for these foundation walls and enter ledge values, but the program will not draw in a ledge and will not extend the brick down to the desired level.  I am beginning to think this is a limitation of the program, unless someone says differently.  I have attached a zip file of the plan.

ky home stripped down.zip

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Is this the type of stepped foundation you will have?

 

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Yes, eventually, but with brick instead of siding.  I know how to make the step, that is not the problem.  The problem is that I need to pull the brick down over the concrete to a ledge, which the program seems to be unable to do once the foundation wall is turned into a pony wall.  It seems that the program is unable to create a brick ledge on the concrete foundation once it has been converted to a pony wall.  The following is a crude cross sectional sketch of what I am attempting to convey.

 

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I don't think the pony wall will work for this -- Chief just doesn't work that way.

 

You may be able to get something that will work.

 

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The concrete wall is a Chief built foundation wall. The Brick-4 wall above is on the 1st floor.

 

I created rooms on the first floor with various floor heights, then built the foundation.

 

Seems like a lot of work when 1 detail could show it.

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I agree Eric.  If the foundation wall is all concrete, Chief will let the brick from the first floor be extended down to a ledge on the concrete foundation where the ledge height can be defined.  However, if you turn the foundation wall into a pony wall, Chief will not allow the brick from the top half of the pony to be extended down to a ledge in the concrete.  Chief will allow you to define a ledge height in the pony wall profile, but it basically ignores whatever values you enter.  Seems like an oversight in the programming to me.  If I can pull down brick from the first floor, seems like I should be able to pull down brick from the top half of a wall.  Thanks for looking into this Eric.

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10 hours ago, mkhatem said:

I have a stepped foundation that is a pony wall with 8" foundation on the bottom half and 2x4 frame on top half.  I wish to lower the brick ledge on the 8" foundation, but the program is using the top of the foundation as the ledge and will not allow me to lower the ledge.  When I enter a ledge height, the program does not respond.  This only happens when I turn the foundation into a pony wall.  Can anyone help?

 

This is how I'd do what you are asking...

 

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Steve, awesome video, thank you very much.  That is almost what I am attempting to do.  Your pony wall is all concrete with brick.  I need the pony wall (basement wall) to be concrete on the bottom half and 2x4 on the top half.  The terrain is sloping, so I do not need an 8 foot concrete wall throughout.  Now, based on your video, I am going to attempt the same principles, with the bottom half of the pony wall, so I can step the brick on the bottom half.  I will let you know how it works out.  Thanks again.

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1 hour ago, mkhatem said:

Steve, awesome video, thank you very much.  That is almost what I am attempting to do.  Your pony wall is all concrete with brick.  I need the pony wall (basement wall) to be concrete on the bottom half and 2x4 on the top half.  The terrain is sloping, so I do not need an 8 foot concrete wall throughout.  Now, based on your video, I am going to attempt the same principles, with the bottom half of the pony wall, so I can step the brick on the bottom half.  I will let you know how it works out.  Thanks again.

Yes...just create a pony wall and use the same brick wall type you used on the main level. You may have to change the alignment method...I’m not at my computer so I can’t look.  

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Unfortunately Steve, this approach does not work, as when I attempt to move the brick up on the bottom half, it moves the entire foundation up.  The idea is to have the foundation be a pony wall where the top half is a cripple wall of 2x4 with brick skin and the bottom half concrete with brick skin where I can step the brick independently of the foundation, i.e, keep the foundation height unchanged while stepping the brick.  I am afraid that this may exceed the Chief's abilities.

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I think the brick ledge is not working as it used to. I used to be able to get any surface  ( brick or drywall ) to go lower than the floor level by adjusting the brick ledge level. Not anymore.

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2 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said:

I think the brick ledge is not working as it used to. I used to be able to get any surface  ( brick or drywall ) to go lower than the floor level by adjusting the brick ledge level. Not anymore.

 

I think you are right...I remember being able to just pull the brick down and the lower wall would adjust. 

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Thanks again Steve for another awesome video.  If you do a cross sectional view of the wall you built, you will see that the brick from the top half of the pony wall is sitting on top of the concrete foundation.  The one detail that cannot be done now is to pull the brick down below the sill plate onto a brick ledge built into the concrete foundation (this was actually the detail that the thread was attempting to solve).  Chief will not let you do this, at least not on a pony wall.  If the entire foundation is concrete, Chief will let you pull the brick down from the first floor wall onto a brick ledge in the concrete, but again, not with a pony wall.  I hope that I am finally making myself clear?

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2 hours ago, mkhatem said:

Thanks again Steve for another awesome video.  If you do a cross sectional view of the wall you built, you will see that the brick from the top half of the pony wall is sitting on top of the concrete foundation.  The one detail that cannot be done now is to pull the brick down below the sill plate onto a brick ledge built into the concrete foundation (this was actually the detail that the thread was attempting to solve).  Chief will not let you do this, at least not on a pony wall.  If the entire foundation is concrete, Chief will let you pull the brick down from the first floor wall onto a brick ledge in the concrete, but again, not with a pony wall.  I hope that I am finally making myself clear?

 

You can get rid of that line by using "auto detail"....see attached.  That line will always appear as these walls are on different floor levels.  

 

Section prior to "auto detail"...270607795_ScreenShot2019-03-28at1_30_37PM.thumb.png.6564713759e297335100a7987c153e70.png


 

Section after "auto detail"....1668727665_ScreenShot2019-03-28at1_32_06PM.thumb.png.36689907de0e3c45d80f1ae5e4442d38.png

 

Here is another example...I've added a 2nd floor to your plan...the separation line appears.  It has nothing to do with "pony walls"

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Steve, the point where the brick sets on the concrete foundation (see below).

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I need to have the brick below the sill plate on a brick ledge in the foundation.  See below.

 

 

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The tools are there in the wall profile, but Chief ignores the settings when you are working with a pony wall.

 

 

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1 hour ago, mkhatem said:

Steve, the point where the brick sets on the concrete foundation (see below).

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I need to have the brick below the sill plate on a brick ledge in the foundation.  See below.

 

 

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The tools are there in the wall profile, but Chief ignores the settings when you are working with a pony wall.

 

 

 

OK...I agree, the software will not place a brick ledge automatically. But...if you use "Auto Detail"...you can edit the fill and make it look correct. Yes...it's not a perfect model...but, I think it will get you what you want.  

 

Once you hit "auto detail"...the software will place polylines inside each wall member.  You can then grab the handles and manipulate as you'd like.

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Steve, I cannot thank you enough for all your help.  I am obviously new to Chief and the Auto Detail function was a revelation to me.  I can now see how using the floor plan and overviews will be used to get the house close and the working drawings will be fine tuned in views using tools like Auto Detail.  Perfect.  Thanks again.

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1 hour ago, mkhatem said:

I am obviously new to Chief and the Auto Detail function was a revelation to me. 

 

I noticed the X9 in your signature and assumed you were not a new user. You might want to indicate that.

 

I also wondered why you were posting sections that were not auto detailed -- guess I should have asked.

 

And way up above I said

 

23 hours ago, solver said:

Seems like a lot of work when 1 detail could show it.

 

Guess I should have been clearer. I was suggesting just what Steve did using auto detail and then modifying.

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No problem Eric.  Sometimes I have to go through iterations for it to sink in, and I believe this would have been one of those instances.  I thank you very much for your input, and I certainly now get what you were trying to convey.  Thank you very much for your time.

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