CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I can't seem to figure out how to render this correctly. Simple 4 post patio cover, Wall is Post to Beam, with Pony Wall. The Post is rendered sitting on top of the Pony Wall, which is not the way it should or would be built. If I delete the Pony wall, the Post goes to the floor. How do you make it render/build it like it would be built, where the post carries the load, and the wall is built off the post? Not with the post on top of the pony wall? Ideas? Edited January 5, 2019 by CheifTexan Added details to title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Make it a Railing Wall with a panel railing. Not really sure what the panel should look like but you can make it what ever you like. Post the plan and a picture of what it should look like and someone will help you out. Also helpful to know what version you are using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chopsaw said: Make it a Railing Wall with a panel railing. Not really sure what the panel should look like but you can make it what ever you like. Post the plan and a picture of what it should look like and someone will help you out. Also helpful to know what version you are using. X10. I'd love to post a picture but I can't seem to make it build it "like you would in the real world". Meaning, you wouldn't set a 6x6 post on top of a 2x4 wall, you would run the post to the floor, and attach the wall to the post. I could easily "fake it" with a poly line solid (which I do for customer renders) but for a build document that you can measure the center of the post, and provide an elevation of the wall, "faking it" does not work. It is a Railing, based on 4" interior wall, with 6" posts on 200" center (to force them to the end of the wall), the pony wall is a 4" interior as well. I could screen capture all that, and just spam more image on the board, which seems to be the norm, but I don't see that will tell more than the above. Solver: I added a signature, any other useful information would be appreciated. Edited January 5, 2019 by CheifTexan fat finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 I tried Railing Panel (no pony wall) and it does in fact render it correctly, but I don't see how I can force it to build a 2x4 stud wall as the "panel". Under Wall Type, Railing/Fence, I have deleted the Interior and Exterior Layers, and left the Main Layer (fir stud 16"... width of 3.5"). It just renders a solid panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, CheifTexan said: I tried Railing Panel (no pony wall) and it does in fact render it correctly, but I don't see how I can force it to build a 2x4 stud wall as the "panel". No not a framed wall unless you absolutely need to show that. Is it actually going to be finished like your original posting but with the corner posts to the floor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Something Like this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 No need for a pony wall. Use a Railing, Solid, Post To Beam. Define the wall without an external layer, only framed main layer and internal lining layer. Build framing. Something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 It will be framed like the original, except post to the floor. Why would someone every build a studpack for a 6x6 post to sit on top of? It's an outdoor Kitchen, the post will be exposed above the counter tops. If the post were not exposed, you still wouldn't put a post on top of the studwall in this case. My point there, CA seems to not have a clue how to build that. The "Railing with Panel" works visualy, but: You can't open a wall detail (to show the framing) Elevation does not show the wall studs It seems I cant create it correctly, then display the build makeup of the wall correctly with a stud wall with it being a railing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, solver said: Chief does't really want to do what you want -- you would think it would be simple. Here is something to experiment with. These are all normal Chief walls. Place 4 walls with an open railing that will provide the corner posts and create the room definition. Add 2 room divider walls shown dashed below at each corner. Add in the railing half walls -- draw outside the structure, set as No Room Def, then move into place and snap to the corner. They should snap the the Room Dividers. Holy wow, that is complicated, but I see how you are forcing it to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chopsaw said: Something Like this ? Exactly, how did you get that? If you add 3 more walls, do the post actually align? Meaning does CA put the top beams on a single post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, glennw said: No need for a pony wall. Use a Railing, Solid, Post To Beam. Define the wall without an external layer, framed main layer. Build framing. I'll try that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, CheifTexan said: Exactly, how did you get that? I cheated a little. Eric's idea will work but Glenn's might be more straight forward. Trying it now. Hang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 No mucking around with my one. No cheating. All straight forward settings in the wall dbx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Ok Glenn's way you will need to create a cad overlay for the posts in plan view. My way you would need a cad overlay for the walls and wall framing. I think Eric's method will give the best result even though it will take a little more setup. Framing should also not require any editing with Eric's method, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, CheifTexan said: It just renders a solid panel. Frame it and it should render properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Glenn's way seems to work fine , though there are a few quirks for example , the Framing builds thru the Corners in plan view even though they should be 6X6s ( okay in 3D) and the Posts will center on the Wall and that may not be desired in this case. ie you likely want the Walls flush to the inside so the posts don't stick out at the interior Corners. It does let you spec a 2x Wall Cap though which maybe desired eg for a Bar Top. Other way would be to Use the Framing Tools and Place the 4 Posts and Beams and then add the Sheathed one side Walls, build the Roof Auto (if not on), turn Roof Auto Build off, drag the walls down in elevation to the desired height and frame them. I also needed to uncheck "Roof over this Room" in the Room DBX so it framed the walls to the new height . You would need to do your own wall cap this way with a molding line or p-solids. M. STD Railing way Pavilion Plan 1_MHD.plan Post and Frame Way Pavilion Plan 2_MHD.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Kbird1 said: Glenn's way seems to work fine , though there are a few quirks for example , the Framing builds thru the Corners in plan view even though they should be 6X6s ( okay in 3D) and the Posts will center on the Wall and that may not be desired in this case. ie you likely want the Walls flush to the inside so the posts don't stick out at the interior Corners. That is easily fixed by using an Offset for the Newel/post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 hours ago, glennw said: That is easily fixed by using an Offset for the Newel/post. I almost made a note last night to say you'd know how to fix it however I should have thought of that too but hardly every use that option actually. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheifTexan Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Glenn's way seems to work fine , though there are a few quirks for example , the Framing builds thru the Corners in plan view even though they should be 6X6s ( okay in 3D) and the Posts will center on the Wall and that may not be desired in this case. ie you likely want the Walls flush to the inside so the posts don't stick out at the interior Corners. It does let you spec a 2x Wall Cap though which maybe desired eg for a Bar Top. Other way would be to Use the Framing Tools and Place the 4 Posts and Beams and then add the Sheathed one side Walls, build the Roof Auto (if not on), turn Roof Auto Build off, drag the walls down in elevation to the desired height and frame them. I also needed to uncheck "Roof over this Room" in the Room DBX so it framed the walls to the new height . You would need to do your own wall cap this way with a molding line or p-solids. M. STD Railing way Pavilion Plan 1_MHD.plan Post and Frame Way Pavilion Plan 2_MHD.plan Thanks Glenn and Mick. I think what I am going to do is save it as a cad object so I have it I can just drop in, then bump the size, and build the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, CheifTexan said: Thanks Glenn and Mick. I think what I am going to do is save it as a cad object so I have it I can just drop in, then bump the size, and build the roof. You could copy and paste one of mine into your Plan , depending on the Object Type I am not sure if everything will be "blockable" in the 3D model. Glenn's (or the STD) way will most likely work better I think if you want to resize and then rebuild Roofs M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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