Joe_Carrick

Also, after it's in the Library, Right_Click and open the Symbol dbx. You to change the settings.for the behavior there.

Open the Defaults for Doors in your Plan. See what the setting is there. It's possible that it's not right. I don't know of any thing else that could cause this problem.

Phyllis, I think the program you remember was PCAD. They were based in (or near) San Jose. It did run on the Apple (Macintosh I think, but maybe the Apple II+). I was working as the Architectural Product Manager for CalComp at the time and we almost bought that Company. My recollection was that it was strictly 2D but we were interested because of the Apple context.

Alan, Group select all your actual Plants and uncheck "Include in Schedule". The "Notes Plants" you put on a Layer of their own so you can turn them on/off for display purposes.

Perry, I've been thinking about the "Framing, Electrical, etc" notes concept. It's fairly simple from the standpoint of the notes displayed on any given Layer Set (just have the "Note" on a unique layer for that use) but the Plan Schedule itself can only be limited on a per floor basis. The Fixture Schedule OTOH has more flexibility in that regard but is probably limited in terms of Layer being saved in the Library. If you use multiple Plant Schedules (per floor) but use a prefix such as A1-, A2-,A3-, etc for Architectural Notes, F1-, F2-,F3-, etc for Framing Notes, E1-, E2-,E3-, etc for Electrical Notes then you could send the same Schedule to the Sheets for the various dwgs and simply crop them as needed to limit whats displayed. It would mean providing a Border and Header for each Layout Box, but at least the notes would be arranged the way you want them. Can you follow this - it's a bit complicated to explain. Naturally, the various notes would need to be on the appropriate unique Layers so they would only be displayed in the Layerset that matches. The Ultimate Solution would be to have Callouts with Schedules that can be filtered by Layer or?????

So if you set the Callout Label Prefix to the Floor Number you will have 101,102,103,104... on the First Floor: 201,201,203,204,,,, on the Second Floor.

Perry, Have you tried using separate Schedules for each Floor? You would need to uncheck "Include Objects from All Floors" in the Schedule dbx. Another option would be to use a 1,2,3,4,etc as a prefix along with the Separate Floor Schedules. That would make the numbers different on each Floor. You might be able to do different Plans (Framing. Electrical, Plumbing, etc) by using a Note that's on a Layer unique to each discipline, but I'm not 100% sure of that. It would work fairly easily if the Schedule allowed inclusion of only specific Layers or Label Prefixes. IOW, something like Doors where you can include only "Hinged", "Sliding", "Pocket", etc. Unfortunately the Plant Schedule doesn't have any such inclusion/exclusion capabilities.

Is anyone in Idaho (headquarters) looking at this thread? It would be nice to know what CA thinks about this.

Yes, that would be nice. Just a simple "Add Arrow" in the "Label Options" would be handy.

OK, so I reset my hotkeys for those two commands to F2 and F3 respectfully. That gives me just 2 strokes to get into Copy/Paste_StickyMode. I contemplated using ALT+C & S but I think the 2 Function Keys work better for me.

I understand. I just wish there was either a toggle or a default so that when I select an object and the copy tool - I wouldn't have to select the "Sticky Mode Button". IOW, "Sticky Mode" would be persistent from one object to the next.

As long as I've been using Chief, I somehow never got around to learning about the "Sticky Mode" for copying an object. ie: Select an Object, Select Copy, Select the "Sticky Mode" button. This allows you to place the same object many times using the mouse. The Library Objects work this way by default but for Objects selected from the Plan the default is single mode. It would be nice if there was a toggle for "Sticky Mode Copying".

OK, after a bit of experimentation I've found a solution that's even simpler and solves the Layer Problem. 1. Use a 2D Plant and a Plant Schedule 2. The Plant Schedule uses just the Number and Label Columns 3. The Plant can be placed on any Layer such as Notes and can have any 2D CAD Block assigned as the Plan Display 4. Just Edit the Plant Label to whatever you want the note to be. Now any note can be added to the Library and it will come back at the correct Layer. There's no need to use the Component dbx, just the Symbol dbx and edit the Label to create a new Note. For notes I add to the Library I find it useful to copy the Label Text and Paste it as the name of the Library Item. That way it's easier to see what the note is when selecting from the Library. But the names can get long if you do that. Another nice thing about this solution is that you can simply copy & paste notes within the Library, rename them and edit the Label. It's a real easy way to create a complete set of notes - and it's fairly easy to organize them in the Library into Sub Folders.

OK Cheryl, Just make the dividers with solids and Save the Cabinet to the Library. You now have a Library Cabinet that you can use whenever you need it.

Perry, I'm having the same problem. It seems Chief just want to insist that a Furniture Symbol must be on the Furniture Layer. You can change it after it's placed in the Plan but you can't seem to save it with the new Layer to the Library. That's why I'd really like CA to give us "Note Objects" with "Note Layers" as indicated in Post #18

That wouldn't bother me a bit. A. Macros that work in Elevation & Section B. Plan Note Objects with Schedules (Plan Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) C. Elevation Note Objects with Schedules (Elevation Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) D. Section Note Objects with Schedules (Elevation Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) Any time CA want's to take one of my ideas and make it a part of Chief - it's OK with me. For now, this works

LESS is MORE Shorter notes will be easier to read and less subject to errors of interpretation. They'll probably help Perry get them grammatically correct too

Just an little update. To create a New Note to add to the Library: 1. Open the Object dbx and change the Name to the text you want in the Note. 2. Then Open the Symbol dbx and put the same info in the Description and Comments Fields. 3. Now Add to Library and move to the Notes Folder or Sub Folder of your choice.

OK, so now the question is: Can we have a separate Symbols on Layer Notes, Plan and Notes, Elevation which could display note on each Drawing Type and all be included in the Same Schedule? Obviously we could use 2 separate Schedules and have one report "Interior Furniture" and the other report "Exterior Furniture"

Yes, I set Stretch Planes at 2" for all 3 axis (x,y,z) I just checked this and it doesn't prevent the loss of the Comments Field Data. IMO that's a bug that Chief needs to fix anyway. The way to handle this is to just "UNDO" if you accidently resize.

Yep, that's the one limitation. CA should make that change to schedules to that we have word wrap. IAE, I can have a pretty long note and the schedule will still fit on a Layout Sheet using Arch-D or Arch-E. Those are the only sheet sizes I normally use anyway.

There are some nice details about how this works: 1. When you change the Description and Comments fields in the Components dbx for a Symbol, the Callout Number and the Comments Column in the Schedule are both updated. 2. If you move a row in the Schedule up or down, the Callout Text changes accordingly. 3. If you open the Object dbx the Name will show the Description Field data (which tells you what the note is) 4. If you add any note in the Plan to the Library, the Name in the Library will correspond to the text of the note. Organize those in the Library and you have a set of very easy to place notes in the Plan and the contents of the note will be displayed while you place and drag.

The following describes a system for creating General Notes with Callouts: Since I don't use Furniture Schedules, I used a Furniture Schedule for the basis of this but I could have used the Plant Schedule or ..... 1. The Schedule has Columns for Number and Comments - renamed Note # and Description 2. The Schedule has Use Callout for Label and Group Simlar Items checked 3. I created a small Furniture Symbol (solid box 1"x1"x1") and set its material to Insulation-Air Gap 4. I named the Symbol Note 5. In the Components dbx I set the Description and Comments both to Note Text 6. I then placed several these in the Plan - some of them I edited the Description and Comments Fields (used the same text for both fields) The attached pics show the results:

Copy Chief's Library object and Paste to your user Library. You can right click on it in the User Library and Edit it there. CA doesn't allow us to make those edits in their Libraries but we can edit a copy that's in our User Library.

Cheryl, I would - but since this can be done once and the Cabinet "Added" to the user Library - It's very low on my priority list. IOW, once you've created such a cabinet and added it to the library It never has to be done again. It's just like having a Cabinet with a set of Appliances already defined and saved for future use.