HumbleChief

...and not being a shill for DropBox either but it does the same.... EDIT: as I added below I don't think I am using DropBox in this fashion...

Similar experience here... Use both prefer DropBox

MUCH prefer DropBox...

Here's what I don't like - currently you cannot add/modify Layer Sets and Defaults from the Plan View dbx, you have to go another, separate dbx to modify or add, then back to the Plan View dbx to choose your new or modified Layer Set or new Default.

It's 100% independent if when you "Save As" it references a different Layer Set but all the other active defaults for each new Plan View is 100% independent. They might be the same, but as soon as a New Plan View is created those active defaults belong to that Plan View and only that Plan View - unless it references the same Layer Set..

No need to delete them P, just ignore them when setting up Plan Views, or, like me use them anyway because that's the way I set up plan views to begin with. But if you did want to delete them can't you just delete them from here?

Took me a while to understand this, but, you really don't need Anno Sets... Certainly use them if you're more comfortable using them. I use them because my plan views were set up with them but as they change I'm ignoring them and just changing the active defaults which duplicates every setting within an Anno Set. Hard to teach this old dog this new trick but am slowly understanding the concepts... Even got rid of the Active Anno Set drop down in my template plan...

I'm pretty sure each Plan View, for each floor, can reference the same Layer Set just like an Anno Set. Turn the layer off, in that Layer Set, and it should affect each floor and turn off the display on each floor. Which is kinda what was said above?

This is the direction I've been heading, letting go of Anno Sets as "King" and adapting Plan Views as "King" and setting everything up in the Plan View. There's no reason a user can't still use Anno Sets as "King" and have them link to Layer Sets, it's just not needed any more and doesn't take full advantage of the new Plan Views and their new inherent power to set up 'everything'..

That's been my MO as well but am getting more comfortable ignoring Anno Sets as the active defaults duplicates the exact information that Anno Sets provides but, as always, to each their own...

Yup, however anyone wants to use Anno Sets works. No single method of course.... I still have all my Anno Set but will begin, when needed, to ignore them and see how that plays out down the road...

Don't need a new Anno Set, just a new Layer Set. Don't know of another approach... It would be nice if we could create that new Layer Set from the Plan View dbx but it needs to be done from Active Defaults/Layer management. You can choose the Layer Set from the Plan View dbx but cannot create a new one from there.

I wonder, can the dimensions location be changed/turned on/off in the "Dimensions" sections of the active defaults of the New Plan View? I don't mess with this much but will try it. Don't think so as this only changes the layer that the dims show up on. Still need a new Layer or Layer Set?

Are you using the same 'active defaults' or the same Layer Set for each plan view? It sounds like you need a new Layer Set with the dims turned on/off for your new Plan View.

...seems to work pretty well.

Curious Scott, is that a CAD detail? Or is Chief drawing that?

TS is aware of the problem as you've guessed. Will be fixed with X11.

Wow, its so hard to keep up the stupid these days - feeling your pain....

I'll remember that too....Thanks Mike

I've been making this point for YEARS. Someone with your computer skills should NOT find building a mono slab as you described - "most frustrating thing [you've] ever come across." Should you learn the software? Of course. Should it be easy to learn? Not necessarily, but it should not be so difficult as to cause so many users so much frustration. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed and have been using computers since 1989 ish - 30 years - and have used Chief for 20 years - in all those years with many, many software programs I have NEVER felt more stupid and wasted more time than when I try and figure out Chief's structure DBX. There's absolutely no ROI in Chief changing it, and no reason for them to mollify a few forum users, but it will remain, at least to me, the worst user interface I've ever encountered, in any piece of software, ever.

Yes, good point...

Exactly my experience as well. I went back to prove the top down theory to myself and it wasn't needed. For we as well it "used to make sense, but now I can't remember why." Oh well, old dog, and all that stuff...

This kinda makes a point I've been suggesting - that one man's logic is another man's crazy. The trick is to try and get your personal crazy to match the 'logic' that Chief built in, or the other way around. Once understood it gets easier. May never make sense or seem 'logical' as in my case and maybe yours as well Richard but once learned can be used to get some plans out the door...as crazy as some of the steps seem...

I also had no idea that menu item was there. Went through that crazy match properties exercise on that plan in the other this thread, went back to the plan checked the floor and ceiling heights and it was done - every floor. Wow, still learning in spite of myself...

True but that simply replicates the previous Anno Set behavior which is cool - was trying to point out a benefit of Plan Views, but only if it makes things easier. Come to think of it I don't think I have a bunch of tabs open at once, probably old habits that are hard to break...