HumbleChief

Looking too. Takes a couple days me thinks...

I still don't get it...

This has been my experience as well.

BUT you have to know even though I've seen that dozens of times too I just tried it on the folder I just posted and it worked as expected - just to make me look dumb(er).

Yes indeed but there are bugs and nuances within the simple spec's that Chief provides. If you check the dbx I posted in the first post it has spec'd that there will be an auto archive warning after 14 maximum archived files. I have more than one folder with more than 14 files and an 'occasional' warning that used to take me to the folder with too many files but now if I get the warning and say OK to manage those files it does not take me to folder but the dbx just disappears. It's a bug on my system but can't be bothered to report it as it does not effect the archived folders - or does it? Dunno but here's a pic of a current archived folder with more than the spec'd 14 files. Blanked out the names to protect the innocent. Is there another part of that system that can get corrupted? More likely in the case of this occurrence user error of some kind but just sayin' there are some inconsistencies and again just a reminder as to what can go wrong.

Difficult to summarize over 20 years of using Chief in a manner that is detailed enough to describe those 20 years of learning and understanding the nuances of Chief in posts here. There might have been a time within those 20 years where the archived files were saved to a different folder than where they should have been located and through those 20 years have figured things out. I do indeed know where they should be located and where they should be according to the current settings. Apologies for making it sound like that was/is not the case.

Same to you...and everyone here.

Thanks Val, I think the thing that is most troubling is that there's a system and specification within Chief to auto save every (x) minutes, and archive hourly, without a warning or note that says none of this works if you don't hit cntrl 'S' every few seconds to save your work and it's not even a stretch to think that the archive and auto save features are there so one does not have to hit cntrl 'S' every few seconds and the illusion that the system will work gets even more complete when it actually does work 99.9% of the time. I've found archived files and auto sav and auto save bak files many times, just as expected. What happened this time? Dunno. Why weren't there auto saves every 5 minutes as spec'd in the dbx? Again dunno, User error? Possible no doubt, but Chief's archive and auto save functions have been pretty darn reliable but every once and a while - ouch... Again more a reminder than a request for advice...

Hey Val, been through these battles before and never really know what bites and why. There was indeed an archive folder with the correct 'saved as' name and a single archived plan, but not a recent enough one that had the previous work included, like it just arbitrarily stopped archiving and autosaving within the spec'd time interval. And yes, searched high and low for any archive in every folder including DropBox and Carbonite as I've found them in unexpected places in the past, but this time, nothing.

Eric, it was that check box "same roof height at exterior walls" - brilliant and very helpful. Never used it before. Thank you.

To the OP. The default roof pitch of 5:12 is affecting the porch overhang (roof pitch 2:12 as set (changed) in the wall dbx) as if the fascia heights of the 2 different roof pitches have to match, as David suggested above, even if there are no actual adjoining roof fascias. Did not know that. Thanks for the tip David.

Interesting, did not know that. I took the OP's plan and eliminated every roof structure from every room except the porch, eliminating any other fascia heights and it still built with a 2' - 6" overhang instead of the spec'd 12". I built a demo plan and clearly saw what you posted David - again very helpful. There must be something in the plan that is hanging on to a fascia height? Or is it inheriting the default 5:12 pitch for every other roof and applying that to the 2:12 pitch and forcing the 2'- 6" overhang to accommodate the 5:12 default? That seems to make the most sense.

I must have misread the above posts which clearly stated that a picture is perhaps all that's needed and a plan file may not be, and based on the forum's history from its inception where a request for a plan file is not only common but sometimes insisted upon, just seemed weird. I will learn to read more carefully. Did the OP get any actual help? I opened the plan file but could not figure out the problem. Anyone trying to help the OP? Or simply arguing semantics?

Apologies to the previous posters but I'm curious as to when attaching a plan became the less desirable option to a screen shot or any other method to diagnose a problem? I downloaded the attached plan file, which the attachment I consider a common courtesy on this forum, but could not figure out the issue. Anyone else with an idea? As an aside, Eric and Ryan are always very helpful but if you, Jambruins, have any other future problems please attach a file whenever possible as it makes diagnosis that much easier. Again I could not see why that 2' 6" overhang persisted, so not much help here.

Yup, know all this, did all that, but somehow this plan got lost in the shuffle... Maybe not asking for advice but rather might serve as a reminder for others...

I know, I know, archives, archives etc. etc. but it's just gone. Sometimes I just don't get it... With the settings below I have no useful archive of the work that was completed.

air gap?

Built guitar templates using Chief, and the guitars built by hand.

This thread has me thinking a bit more. I cannot argue the nuances nor their importance within a perfectly rendered image that looks genuinely life like but I don't have clients that would notice such things and if I did I would try and find a way to not have them as clients any longer. If I were to present any one of the images shown in this thread, complete with light leaks and not quite right reflections, they would be thrilled. Does that simply reflect badly on myself and my clientele? Or is that more a reflection (see what I did there?) of a real world client presentation? Dunno but have never had a client call out minor (or major depending on one's perspective) rendering errors other than color which they are always warned cannot be reproduced accurately.

THANKS, I'll keep my eyes open for the phenom...

Steve, just to be clear for the rest of us, your original wall was not 1.5 and I assume that's 1 1/2 inches? Was that the invisible wall at the top of the stairs? If so what was the original thickness? Was it thicker or thinner? Thanks

True that...

Love how these threads go sideways, looking forward to the video

These discussion almost always evolve, as they should, into what software works best for which user within which business model. They can also devolve, which they should not IMO, into Chief bashing or other software promoting as if there were a single solution for every user. It's too simple to just use what works for each user. I've been using Chief for over 20 years, am 67 going on 68 years old and would never even consider another software package at this point in my life/career. Does that make me a Chief fan boi? Perhaps, but that's only because of my current career situation and goals. Watched a Revit video once and was shocked by how long it took to do the simplest of tasks and for my business the simplest of tasks is how I make a living. More complex stuff and I might have considered other software so Chief is neither good nor bad. Revit is neither good nor bad and deciding which one fits your business model is the only real decision.

...or like having a concrete slab treated like a 'room' with a ceiling or even a roof if one thought one was needed within a concrete slab 'room'? The list is sadly pretty long and some of the decisions were made by people who have never built anything - ever - but even given all of the niggles I still look forward to each new release, like I am with X13, because my productivity goes up every time.