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Make the walls invisible then change the line properties if you want them to show in plan. BTW almost all the Chief users will create 2 plans for 'As Built' plan and 'Proposed' or 'New' plans when doing a remodel. It's really hard to get demo plans to play with new const. without 2 sets of plans. http://www.screencast.com/t/02Dv0iI0P5E

Good advice.

Just tried and, yes, I can also snap to reference layers. http://www.screencast.com/t/hvKIhabU Glenn, We need some more vids from you mate!

Pretty long - hope it helps. http://www.screencast.com/t/jh8WSyMHI Audio and Video out of synch sorry.

That's a great idea Mick. Like I said in an earlier post I had the same thing happen in a plan the other day so I have to assume it's not that uncommon. I'll suggest that change right now.

Always been curious about ref sets. I use them during drawing but never in Layout. How would the OP use ref sets to accomplish what he wants? Put the dimensions he wants to view on all pages on a specific layer that is then shown in a custom ref set?

Thanks Mick, I was able to copy and paste stuff between back up plans and got everything back OK. I'm pretty sure I didn't have the 'retain deck framing' box checked and must have moved a deck/railing wall. And the invisible interior wall messed up the exterior siding - sigh. Live and learn of course and as I played with the plan this morning I had a window opened constantly checking deck framing.

Thanks you guys. Dennis, Rebuilding the deck only builds it according to Chief's spec's. In this case all the deck framing was done in a custom manner as that's where the work on this project is being done. I do have some back up and am trying to decide whether I should try and import the framing from that plan or import the cabinets etc. form the bad plan. Probably the latter. I think you identified the problem Michael. I've got the framing retained on the back up plan and will watch/change that invisible wall, which I need in place to define the ceiling over that little nook. Anyway long day yesterday and my frustration got the better of me. A fresh look today will likely clear up a couple issues.Thanks again.

Speechless. Not really. Messing with a plan and the deck framing disappears. Just gone. The REALLY frustrating part is I have no idea what I did to disappear the framing so it's just a matter of time before I do it again - ugh. http://www.screencast.com/t/ckZGSugQN DECK GONE.plan SAME THING happened to another plan this morning. BUG? Anyone else seen this? User error?

Todd, I get the roofs on the second floor too. Never seen that and couldn't find a way to not see them other than in the roof plane display dbx but shouldn.t have to do that.

...and tongue and groove - never had a chance. Appreciate all the help I can get BTW so appreciate the input.

BUT I double checked and as always very helpful advice.

It currently has 2 x 6 tongue and groove fir decking which rotted really fast (DOH) and the deck has virtually no detectable bounce. Our plan is to add a 4 x 6 (maybe a 6 x 6) between each existing joist/beam and use Ipe decking - after replacing the rotted joists/beams.

Good eye!! Yes it's actually built that way and we are going to replace some rotted members and rebuild the deck as it is now. We think the 18" concrete caissons were poured too high and the joists had to be notched to get the proper deck height. Wasn't spec'd as a bearing beam (even though it is) and wasn't spec'd to frame as you see it but auto frame would cut off those beams when reopening the plan.

I had auto framing on and yes the top of the beam is higher than the bottom of the deck joists - they are actually notched over the beam (not bearing BTW). It rebuilt that weird cut off situation till turned off auto framing. Thanks for the heads up Mick/Scott.

All of that will be re-framed with custom beams/joists as the config is pretty out of the ordinary.

Yeah darn I guess I did post the fixed plan. That plan was in the early stages of development. All of the lower framing for that deck will be changed to fit the new configuration. Was hoping the pimples in the plan would not be a distraction to the issue of the gable.

Another take http://www.screencast.com/t/XBichN6K7YL

I'll have to try that Perry, thanks for the suggestion.

Yeah sorry the plan was such a mess but I was just trying to show the problem as it seems to manifest itself in many different ways on many different plans. I'm in the same camp and just take care of it without any worries but was just curious about the phenomenon. Maybe Perry's got it figured out to generate automagically?

Thanks Mike, Most of the time it works OK but sometimes the shape of that wall gets all messed up and dragging it over can create more problems. Thanks for the reply.

Always run into this on many type of plans. There must be a setting I'm missing? http://www.screencast.com/t/WGqOkaR1Llb GABLE WALL.plan

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Ralph, I think if that 'safe room' had been defined as a room with a floor height that corresponded to the height you wanted for the room, auto build foundation would have recreated the foundation around that room. And PLEASE do no think I'm apologizing for Chief's many land mines and pitfalls. I've been caught out so so many times it's crazy but another approach to your dilemma might be to post what you want to accomplish and get some help here. Safe rooms are underground correct? It seems like an underground 'room' could be created quite easily but I haven't really tried. Maybe this will help. http://www.screencast.com/t/2NHcdWo96AB

...or create edit points and use the 'Edit Line Parts' tool.