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Gene Thanks for the answer...I do use the tab drag but never associated it with moving a wall...duhhh.... Regards Rick

We will have to disagree...I believe the question is relevant and related...it is brought up within the discussion by a highly valued member as a possible cause of the OP’s original question...a simple point in the right direction is all I asked for... Regards Rick

A question from the relative newbie...What is the "tab input wall drawing method"?...I searched the help files and this forum but did not find any information. Regards Rick

Richard...thanks for bringing this up. As a relative newbie, I have had this problem bite me more than once. I knew it had to be something in my methods that caused it. I found the damage could be limited by constant vigilance. Subsequently, that vigilance pointed out that the proper use of the provided dimensioning tools so nicely demonstrated by Michael was the real solution. Michael...thanks for all the help you provide... Lew...I have wondered why the options you requested are not available. When I design, I always try to size exteriors to even number dimensions in 2’ increments. After visualizing a clients ideas and square footage requirements I have a required size ratio in mind...say for example 28’ by 44’. I draw the walls and want them to stay in place...there wandering ways under present conditions is frustrating. We lock roofs... a fair question is “why not walls enter.?”... Regards Rick

Not Lew but that is correct...and I did mean "poly line solids"...and they do not exist in HDPro...Soffits, custom countertops and custom back splashes are your only friends in HD Pro ... Rick

That is correct...I never knew about the "page 0" option until I upgraded to Premiere...so I just reopened a HD Pro 2021 file and a new layout page...no option for page 0 or any other page...also...no poly line abilities in HD Pro... Until I upgraded to Premiere, I was unaware of the depth of the shortfalls in the layout limitations...I can't imagine having the layout tools available in your current version not being available to you in HD Pro... and that is just that tool...I predict you would be very disappointed in HD Pro...JMO...YMMV...In fact, until I opened HD Pro today to check out the layout tool for you, I had not opened it since I upgraded... Regards Rick H.

That is true...one page at a time...I just took the plunge and upgraded to Premiere from HD Pro 2021...huge difference as it should be for the cost...but...the additional tools and increased productivity are IMO worth the cost...YMMV... Here is my take on my experience...I used HD PRO for just over a year...it does a lot...but the differences in things like layouts and plan views are large...I believe that I developed some habits using HD Pro that were counterproductive when using Premiere...it took some time to learn that there were significantly easier ways to do tasks with the expanded tool sets...I am still struggling with using saved plan views and all the various layers and interactions...but I am progressing...JMO...and again...YMMV... Regards Rick

Did you mean "clerestory"?

Done...using cabinets...that was easy after trying to model it with trim etc...changed the garage doors and front door to cross bucks and it looks good...

Ryan It will be an applique panel simulating the look of the windows...attic trusses over the garage eliminate windows without some fancy truss/conventional framing gymnastics. There will be 3panels...one over the 8' OH door and 2 over the 16' door Regards

Eric...I edited my post before I saw your reply...the cad boxes in the snip show what I am looking for or similar...I have tried to apply the techniques shown in the KB but end up with a panel only 1 ply showing and attached to an interior wall...attempts to reposition even the one ply and smaller panel to outside wall fail...I have rebuilt the panel 3 times and no success... Regards

Well, I took the plunge and upgraded to Premiere X12...I have this project that requires the barn look...it gets windows in the short upper wall...Over the garage the windows will not work with the attic trusses. I am trying to build a deco panel to add architectural detail to the areas above the garage door. I have visited the KB and looked at video. I have tried multiple times to build the panel using a CAD elevation and polylines per KB...not successful at all...the panel shown in the snip is just cad boxes ...hours later I come hat in hand to the experts who help so often. I have attached the plan and a snippet of what I am looking for...Help please... Regards Rick Jim Berry High Wall Rev Truss plan.plan

Hi Fritz...check your messages...local and can help Regards Rick

I watched this video earlier from the other thread...this is a hope diamond size nugget...I struggled with the various methods outlined for this dormer type...this one is a keeper...thanks Steve... Regards Rick

Agree with all you wrote...I have worked through most of the tripups included in this particular CA logic...and while practice is certainly the answer, there are some issues that are far from real world construction practices...my experience comes from 50 plus years working in the field as a tradesman and eventually working up to Senior Project Manager....this caused a lot of head scratching at first as trying to understand the computer logic used by CA was polar extreme to real world experience...then I read a quote from David J Potter about the people writing code at CA...paraphrased it went something like "very smart people who know nothing about construction practices"...this viewpoint makes it easier to understand the problems we often encounter... Regards

Michael Thanks for your description of how the stem wall/floor height/ceiling height relationships actually work...I wish you had posted this a year ago as I tore my hair out chasing the ceiling heights in my early days...I finally figured most of it out but the initial learning curve is a bit steep...you made it much clearer but I think newbies will still flounder a bit due to the convoluted complexity of the DBX choices and the proper order of inputs needed to accomplish the goal... Regards

Shane I am a retired snowmobile freak who used to put 5000 miles a year in the Michigan UP based out of the Curtis area...your map brought back some of my favorite memories of riding the boonies between McMillan and Rainbow Lodge and over to the old Bears Den bar... Pine Stump Junction...we used to jump across the river at Rainbow and boonie west to Grand Marais...Lake Superior provided the best and deepest snow to play in...last sled was a Polaris Rocky Mountain King...thanks for the memory jog I am also located near Caro much of the time...daughter has small horse and sawmill operation in Wells Twp...love to meet you sometime Regards Rick

I have been using HD2020 2021 Pro for a year,,,I have the trial version of Chief X12...you can easily open the design templates in HD Pro from X12...and then draw in X12...the files are found in the HD pro/data/templates folder...I have not tried to do this using a trial version of HD Pro...hope this helps Good luck Regards Rick

The Dell Alienware M17 shown in my signature has similar specs...it runs Chief just fine...its main drawback is the memory is soldered to the board so expansion is not possible... Regards Rick

This ceiling concept is popular here... I have created several models with both full vault and half vault living room ceilings. Because ceilings build over rooms, removing your room definition (invisible wall or room divider) makes for only one available ceiling height. Maybe the gurus here have a workaround... Regards

Thanks Dermot...that was an easy fix after finding out where to look...

Eric Thanks for the "open with" tip...The reason I asked here is because in my opinion the problem was tied to Premiere X12... My intentions are when things pick up here in Michigan and a few more projects are contracted to upgrade. I keep practicing a bit with Premiere to prepare for the switch. Thanks again... Regards

I have the trial version of X12 installed. I will be upgrading from HD Pro 2021 when economics dictate such a move. My issue is the automatic saving of my HD Pro designs as X12 and displaying both program icons on the desktop.and the subsequent auto opening of the file in X12...Is there a way to halt this behavior so drawings done in HD Pro open only in HD Pro... Thanks Regards

Using the .plan you sent me via email, I built this simple model in HD 2021 Pro showing what I believe you are trying to accomplish...Also, I sent you the file and the explanations via email.. Hope this helps... Regards I modeled this in Premiere 12 Trial version so attaching the plan is not possible. But here is what I did: Built similar model floor plan Set roofs on main floor to gables where needed Added a front porch with railings set for hip roof Build roofs at 8/12 pitch Done Gable cabin help.plan

I modeled this in Premiere 12 Trial version so attaching the plan is not possible. But here is what I did: Built similar model floor plan Set roofs on main floor to gables where needed Added a front porch with railings set for hip roof Build roof Manually lowered roof pitch on porch to 5/12 Done