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3d as Erick mentions?

25 minutes ago, DzinEye said:

Thank you Ryan... just figured that out!

So now that I see I need to add these page# designation to all my template pages, I have another question for you.
Let's say your template has 3 G-pages and 12 A-pages and 10 S-pages, and your newest project needs  5 G-pages and 20 A-pages and 15 S-pages.    Am I correct to assume that you would have to use Insert Page (before or after) X number of times in the right places, and then manually go into the Edit Page Info for each  of the new pages and put in the correct page numbering info ?   Maybe best to just get it over with in the first setup and add way more pages than I think I'll ever need?

If this comes up you can duplicate the page before it and delete any cad work or layout boxes referenced for that sheet.  Would have to fix any page naming you have if using macros to auto fill that info like I do, but pretty quick.

9 minutes ago, DzinEye said:

That is correct Eric.  I had seen this info prior in Kevin's question below, but until today I did not understand the answers.  Only needs to be done once though... that is I think, as long as you set up enough pages, per my follow-up question to Ryan above).

 

Yuppers.  I have my layout file setup not only taking into account a large three story home but with all possibilities such as for roof framing if not trusses, m.e.p for all floors, landscaping, grading, etc.  if it’s a smaller home or simpler plans then just delete the unwanted pages and it’s quicker to flip through and it autocorrects the sheet index and order.

37 minutes ago, DzinEye said:

 

Thanks guys.  The way I've been working... which I've just learned from Michael is wrong (of course)... is that on Layout page 0 I've been using the macro A%page%... which automatically numbers my pages A1-A100 ad infinitum.  I've known I can do better, but have prioritized other things.  So now that you know that,  my question was specifically this:  If for example I have pages A1 - A15 and I need to add a new page between pages A12 and A13, but I want to keep what's on all the existing pages (A13 - A15) the same, I would like to insert a page A12.1.

So...from Michael, and now you (though you've not specifically said it) it sounds like you're also saying I should be using the Edit Page Information Dbx.... am I correct?  
Still... I'm just back from lunch and I've only just had 5-minutes to play with using Edit Page Info...but I'm not there yet... 

Yes exactly.  You would just replace the a-1# with a-12.1

25 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

You could create a macro to handle double digits if you don't want the 0 to preface 10,12, etc.

Part of my goals.  I just have it setup in my template with A-0# (9th page) going to A-10 then A-1#

Haha thanks Rene 

If you set it up on each page with the # sign it will auto populate based on used oages

for example my typical set is 

G-01

G-02
G-03

A-01

A-02

A-03

S-01

S-02

S-03

etc...

put in whatever you want it to preface with I.E. G-0# will auto populate the sheet number .

37 minutes ago, SpeleoWorm said:

Thanks Mick & Ryan!

1. Changing it to "Storage" and removing the ceiling, ceiling finish and floor finish worked like a charm.  I tried "Unfinished" as well, but it appears to have the same issue as "Attic".  I will need to open a ticket with support.
2. I don't think it is just lines...I can select each piece of framing and they show up in the framing schedule (see screenshots below).
3. Thanks, balloon through ceiling worked, and I agree...that is how it would be framed.
4. Yes, I rebuilt the framing.  This appears to be a bug in that particular view since it shows up in the other view and on the schedule.  I guess I will need to report that to support as well.

  

 

 

 

Ryan, Mick was correct...it is an issue with the "Attic" room type (also the "Unfinished" room type).  You can change the other room types to match the settings of the attic room type and they will not have the issue.  I created the plan file from scratch to ensure that it wasn't something in my existing building, and no matter what you do it looks that way when the room type is set to attic or unfinished, and not when you use anything else.

 

Still looks like that wall is stopping about 3.5” below the roof which the program sees as a ceiling plane as well.  Could be even if you have that ceiling definition clicked off you need to delete it.  But again it’s impossible to say without seeing the plan file for sure.  If you don’t want to upload that then I would send it to tech department to see if it’s a glitch.

26 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

I would say 

1.) is a glitch in the Attic Room probably and should likely be Reported , but I'd just make it a Storage Room and remove the flooring and ceiling if needed.

2.) is because you have 3 different walls and Chief puts the edge lines around each in Vector Views , so you see the Walltype breaks.

3.) Try the Balloon through ceiling setting on the Structure Tab   ( I am thinking the End walls in the Real world would likely be framed this way anyway)

4.) did you rebuild all the Framing after making/applying the new WallTypes ?  ......and I wouldn't expect to Chief to get the Framing 100% right every time...

 

M.

I agree with What Mick is saying above.

One thought though is that 1.) may not be a glitch rather you may have a ceiling surface for that "room" defined in which case it shares the same space?  Just a thought, hard to tell without the plan file.

Looking for something like this?  (warning super rough but just for example).

Foundation room with terrain on 1st floor set at heights, front wall drawn as same wall as below with an 18" height railing setting (play with height for actual terrain as this needs to be somewhat of a retaining wall.)  Set elevations and breaks around it.

So this must be a glitch with that template.  Here is what happens when I tried it this AM with my personal template.

Kind of annoying since I used the client's existing template to clean it up to her requested standards and settings and she doesn't do anything with wall schedules as any remodel work, addition work, or permit necessary construction documents I do for her. 

I guess I should have insisted and started from scratch maybe...  Anyone know if the errant line from above is caused by a certain action or is it just a bad template?

4 hours ago, RookiePete said:

Thanks Chopsaw,

That looks like it will get there to 95%.  I cut the terrain hole to the width of the front wall then put a slab on top of the ceiling (vulcraft and a slab for actual construction).

One catch that I can't figure out;

There has to be a hole, so while that hole the width of the front wall gets pretty good results, it does not allow the structure to be entirely underground.  If I extend the slab with a 1 foot overhang over the structure to accommodate the terrain, I can get that figured out.  In other words, no actual tunnel entrance. I tried retaining walls on the side but couldn't get that to work either.

Have you tried playing with your terrain level?  Maybe have the floor you want on 0 and your terrain on 1?  Or vice versa?  

Most likely your Original issue with the errant attic walls was because your foundation walls were not lined up with your other walls and it was auto generating the necessary attic walls.  Most likely you caught it and fixed it then you were able to delete those walls but may not have realized that is why.

When placing a wall schedule into a cad detail and trying to show a longer sample of the wall 2d symbol (as well as match up size of other schedules that will be on the same sheet, an errant spacer line shows up and will not go away until that column is smaller than it.

Anyone else seen this?  Am I doing something incorrect?

5 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

I agree and also recommend avoiding the paint tool on walls unless its absolutely necessary.  Just to clarify though, I believe walls are the only object that behaves that way with the material painter.  For all other objects and materials, using the material painter is perfectly safe and effectively changes that material just as well as any other method. 

 

Walls are just unique due to the fact they can get material directives from multiple places (a very handy feature, but also one that occasionally trips up the unaware) and the only one of those material settings that affects the materials list is the Wall Type definition.  This can also trip up the unaware though.  If you change your Wall Type definition it will also affect every other wall using that Wall Type.  For this reason it's important to set up additional wall definitions when appropriate. 

Of course that would be for both sides of the wall with the siding layer as well.  Curious and haven't messed around with this but doesn't roofing work the same way too?  (effectively the same type of deal as the wall.)

You may try:

actual foundation level below the subfloor of “basement” level aka floor 1, your upper floor would be floor 2 including your garage.

on your level 1 you would have the walls that are buried as the same wall definition as the foundation.  The floors not over a suspended floor (aka crawl space area.) you would set as concrete floor and foundation and the crawl space would be the opposite.

Like this?

You really should designate rooms before you get to the roof building portion though.... Just a friendly tip.

As far as getting the roof to autobuild, It is just a matter of telling the program you want a lowered ceiling in that lowered area.  Try reading up on shelf ceilings.  One click and fixed.

It sounds like you have Home Designer Pro vs Chief Architect Premier ( or Interiors ) so it maybe better to ask on the HomeTalk Forum instead of the Chief Talk forum.  

https://hometalk.chiefarchitect.com/forum/5-qa/

Many aspects ( basics of CA ) are the same in Pro to Premier but there are many more things that are not available to do in HDP.  I would reccomend searching there.  Some of our power users such as @solver & @DavidJPotter frequent that forum and hopefully will be able to be more helpful.

34 minutes ago, joey_martin said:

Paint Tool = BAD

Wall Definition = GOOD

Response of the year right there!

If you don’t make a room like Eric is talking about, which will allow Chief to auto build the roof, then you will have to manually draw the roof and set the heights.

The way you are drawing it is manual instead of telling Chief what you want and allowing it to build the project.  Chief allows manual work to be done but it’s best if you use the manual roofs and posts beams in connection with the auto features.  Build a room with invisible railings or room dividers and then try to auto build the roofs.

6 hours ago, Electromen said:

The one's I pre-ordered will have USB-C, Thunderbolt 3.  I don't have a computer with that, but will in the future.

https://www.benq.com/en-us/monitor/designer/pd2705q.html

 

If I am not incorrect you can Daisy chain those usb C cables together.  

No chance you have two cabinets there right?

Check your foundation level to see if you have a foundation wall there?  Glass house also helps check weird items like this.

9 hours ago, BigKahuna said:

when I clicked on it there was like an invisible attic wall?  above the roof line in front of where the stud wall was showing through. Once I clicked on it the user grips were highlighted and I could simply delete it.  Not sure why the wall ever generated but I am less than an expert on rooflines

 

heres a few pictures of the project

Very nice and glad it worked for you.

Just wanted to add one thing to this post for anyone finding it that someone else mentioned regarding this behavior the other day in a post:

When you are building your model once the roof goes on, Chief will automatically add in the attic walls to fill the gaps between the ceiling and the roof planes.  They are OOB set to automatically build and as long as you have them turned on it will do it's own thing.  However if you change them by changing the individual setting, "painting" a new surface, or try to delete them they lose their auto behavior.    Now if you change your exterior layout or roof as you almost always do at this point then the attic wall will not move or rebuild properly.  If you then try to delete the "errant" attic wall it will automatically add in an invisible wall in it's place as the system thinks you don't want it to show there so it is filling in the gap with an invisible wall to still close the proverbial ceiling roof box...  You have to delete the invisible wall as well or you will get a weird remnant (like you saw in this case.) on the outside of the new attic wall.  If you delete the invisible wall after deleting the attic wall and there is no need for the attic wall with the current setup then it will not rebuild.

Hope that description is helpful.

Great looking model btw!

9 hours ago, Chopsaw said:

 

Photo seems fine to me ?  Except for the glitch in the wall.

 

Still what I am seeing: