antoine Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 hi guys. i have this problem when trying to export to 3DS . I get this,- see attached i do not find any video's on the mater either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3D Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 That is cause by a imported symbol it has too many vertex the export will still happen but you will be missing the object that is causing error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 well thanks Mark but my 3D doesn't export at all. is there a way to find out which symbol is giving the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3D Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I will only be one you have imported maybe a sketch up one or maybe you made it your self in some program also check your export folder as I do get a export but it is just missing the imported object Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 yes mark. i have a complex full of desks and things over 23 thousand+ sq m there are lots of symbols. would be good if CA could give us some direction of how to pin point things better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3D Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Good luck with that yes it would be good if ca pin pointer the offender , maybe check there face count or do you have them on different layers maybe you turn layers off to help narrow down the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3D Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Something i notice was when i was making symbols in form z jr i was rounding the corners of the mesh and it was making way to many poly faces so now i just chamfer the corners and ca seems to smooth them good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 It looks like the model "SBC Entran" is causing that specific issue. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 no jon, that's just plain CA 3D text, with not a lot of size to it. i have a building that has about 70 desk furniture symbol block and other things. the thing here is that we are limited in size to do what we want. our limits need to be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 CA uses instancing for symbols, so unless each desk is over 62K vertices and slightly different from one instance to the next... The software is telling you what the offending object/symbol is--"SBC Entran". Remove it. Or, model the text in SketchUp and import something a bit less complex. Contrary to Mark's statement, there are more than a few symbols within the CA libs that exceed to 62K vertex limit, and will choke the system when trying to export 3ds. I imagine the 3D text you're using is one of those symbols. The software library CA uses for 3ds export is old, running on old 3ds standards. Therefore, the 62,000 vertex limit. This issue has prompted certain users who model/ray trace elsewhere to ask for an fbx export option from Chief. Something you may try is dae export and see if that can solve your problem. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 jon, this SBC sign is note a symbol. its just plain 3D text from the CA library pic attached. but yes you are correct when saying that the software is telling me what the offending object/symbol is--"SBC Entran". cheers mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark3D Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Maybe I am missing something her but I would put that text on another layer turn it of then try the export it could be the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 yes guys i have unblock the signs and it seems to pass but there are other things that seem to be blocking now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 ok guys, jon, the only thing i had to do with the sign was to un-block it, then it got rid of the problem. found another problem which i took out, and now have got my 3Ds for a holographic model. now whats interesting is that i imported my 3Ds project into CA X6 (on test) of which i didn't realize before. (CA X7 to CA X6) and works great guys, though it is a symbol form and i can't change anything, but great for other model ideas. we have learnt something guys. have a great evening my side of the world and a great day on the west side of the world .have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodCole Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Keep us posted on your holographic model progress please, and if you don't mind telling, what software do you intend to use for the modeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 ok mate, but i'm still looking into the idea, and will do something in the weeks coming. i might go to Europe and go to a company dealing with it, and see how its done, (that a new deal for me) will keep you guys posted. have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portrait Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I still beg for a proper fbx export option. Collada (aka .dae) was a good step, but only optimized for Lumion, not 3D Max; 3ds file format will always have this vertex limitation (also 3D Max doesn't accept my CA generated .3ds files, saying "improper file format"), the only safe option .vrml format triangulates the surfaces, so i'm really tired of problems that Chief cause in my workflow. That was one of the main reasons that i didn't renew my subscription for the first time. Chief seniors tend to say "We can't focus on each 3rd party software you use" despite the fact that integration is everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I'm with Ozgur on the fbx front for model/symbol import/export. Antoine, glad you sorted your 3ds issue. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodCole Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Ozgur, have you tried exporting out to Blender as either 3DS or DAE and then exporting from there to a format that will work for you in 3D Max? I have found Blender's file exchanges to be pretty good so far for my uses, but I agree that CA's workflow could be a lot better when one is using other programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodCole Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Antoine Check out Otoy for upcomming 3D Holographic products. There is quite a bit of info online, and they claim to be very close to releasing a free beta version of their offerings in this arena. There are serveral new products under developement that will be compatible with version 3.0 of Octane Render. From what I understand the target dates are this summer and for the betas and later on this year for 3.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 thanks for info guys. i'm new to this holographic deal, so i'm check things out on line first. but i want to see it physically before i buy what ever, but i want something soon for presentations. Dubai is close to me and cheaper than most places. Singapore also not so far from me. but i have i connection with Europe and go there quite often, so these are my options of where to look and were to buy. has anyone else used holographic boards for presentation? has anyone else used 3D printers for presentation? my SSA license is due next month and i'm wondering if it is worth renewing or not. i like CA, but they are not coming through with what i think are the important issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzartiano Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 antoine Did you ever resolve your vertex issue I am having the same issue with a large business park with buildings drawn into it Buz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanCyr Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hey Buz, I regularly run into the vertex max issue....first thing after a new release is I try to see if it has been fixed....since X4. I haven't seen any movement in that area. Me thinks that the squeaky wheel will get the grease on this and there's simply not enough squealing going on or indeed, it is a difficult issue and the cost to resolve is prohibitive. As a work around, I usually layer the problem and export as dae into Lumion or vrml into Accutrans3D then convert to xml for use in my workflow. I save the items in my other software and now simply ignore the modelling in Chief and set the items in my 3rd party software. It would be REAL nice to have that vertex limit issue solved for sure....I've made numerous personal email attempts to the headshed....but so far to no avail sadly. I wish I had better news and certainly a better solution for you.... All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoine Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 hi and sorry Buz, i have been away from it as other things have taken priority. i will have to return down that line later but will have to see how CA X9 will deal with it. though i do not have to-many expectation. is your project being done with CA X 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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