DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Perry, yes in Defaults. Another thing I notice is that if you uncheck "Use Room Ceiling Finish" in the ceiling plan dbx, the ceiling plan completely disappears in 3D, no matter what material you assign to it. I am not getting that, could be a mac. thing. looks ok for me in windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Started a new plan, built a simulacrum of Scott's house, and everything builds fine with default materials correctly assigned. I've concluded that ceiling joists will receive, by default, the default roof rafter material. Scott's issue must be plan specific - maybe there's something corrupt. However, Perry, the ceiling still disappears when I uncheck the "Use Room Ceiling Finish". With check box: Without check box: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hey, Robert Have you ever heard of a contractor in Madison named Jay Demay.? Funny thing , when I uncheck that it looks fine to me. Who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hey, Robert Have you ever heard of a contractor in Madison named Jay Demay.? Nope, I haven't heard that name before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesign Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 My understanding of how this works: There are 3 possibilities w/ the ceiling settings in the roof spec dbx. w/ "Use Room Ceiling Finish" selected, Chief will put a ceiling under the rafters over rooms that have a cl'g thickness spec'd in the room dbx, as well as "cl'g over this room" deselected in the Room spec dbx. There will not be a cl'g layer under the rafters over certain types of rooms (Unspecified, Attic, etc) or when there is no room at all under the roof plane. w/ "Use Room Ceiling Finish" & "Has Cl'g" deselected, there should not be a cl'g layer under that roof plane's rafters at all. w/ "Use Room Ceiling Finish" deselected & "Has Cl'g" selected, there will be a cl'g layer under the rafters regardless of what (if any) rooms are below that roof plane. Frequently w/ curved roof planes in particular, I need to remove the cl'g (sometimes the soffit too) to get the roof planes to join & display properly in a camera. Again, this is my understanding of how it works. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 ..... I don't get any z-fighting between the ceiling surface and the ceiling joists. Here is a pic of the z fighting that I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 BTW, this is the response I get back from CA. I was not able to successfully use this advice to get it to work. "The problem seems to occur anytime you change your roof soffit material to something that doesn't match our default. Just open the ceiling specification dialog and clicking OK will fix the issue." If I am not mistaken, I do not think anybody came up with a solution. I think Robert may of nailed it when he said it was plan specific. After reading Jim's comment, I think my mileage does vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Opening the Ceiling Plan Specification dbx doesn't fix it for me either. Neither does changing the soffit material back to default. I still don't get any z-fighting. I've even played around with changing the camera settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 ......I still don't get any z-fighting. I've even played around with changing the camera settings. That is weird, I showed you a picture of my z fighting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Here is a pic of the z fighting that I was referring to. That exactly what I saw, then when I clicked off "use room ceiling finish", it looked ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 That exactly what I saw, then when I clicked off "use room ceiling finish", it looked ok. Well, when I deselect "Use Room Ceiling Finish," I get nothing - the entire roof ceiling plane disappears. Obviously, there something going on - maybe unique to each of our systems, video cards, etc. Someone from Chief needs to jump down the rabbit hole and figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 here is a short video of what I'm getting. http://screencast.com/t/sUvv4IR4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Oops. Watching Perry's video what I was doing wrong: I was using a floor camera, not a full camera. With a full camera, I do indeed get the z-fighting. Doing what Perry did eliminated the z-fighting, for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 here is a short video of what I'm getting. http://screencast.com/t/sUvv4IR4 Nice job P. What you did auto fixed BOTH ceiling planes at once, nice. This is what I have been doing, not as good as your method because you were able to fix both at the same time..... I suppose if I selected all ceiling planes at once I could fix all at one time..... this is what I have been doing... SELECT CEILING PLANE<OPEN DBX<GENERAL<UNCHECK USE ROOM CEILING FINISH<MATERIAL<CEILING SURFACE<SELECT A MATERIAL and it is fixed. I do not know why I have to do this on my plans..... remember these are save as plans and the genesis of this particular plan may go back 6 years....... I am getting real close to starting a brand new plan without using the SAM, as Robert said, this issue may be plan/plans specific. Open an OOB plan and this mess is not present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would definitely start a new SAM with every new release. I always start fresh with a small box template plan and layout but it does have al the camera's, elevations, foundations, roof plan, structural plans, site plans, details and Sections already there. Very close to a SAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Latest report from headquarters: Scott, Sorry for being unclear, this is definitely an issue that we need to address as it is not behaving correctly.The framing problem is the result of having Soffits unchecked on the Options panel of the Build Roof dialog. If you check this box, then delete and redraw your ceiling planes the problem will go away. I have logged a report on the framing issue as well.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Bug?? Lets hope it gets fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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