EconBlueprints Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I want the rafter ends to be a birds mouth cut, but the rafter ends are trimmed to what appears to be the same depth as the sub-fascia. How do I get the Rafter tails to be full birds mouth cut. picture attached Thanks, Lane rafter tail.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 11:33 AM, EconBlueprints said: I want the rafter ends to be a birds mouth cut, but the rafter ends are trimmed to what appears to be the same depth as the sub-fascia. How do I get the Rafter tails to be full birds mouth cut. picture attached Thanks, Lane rafter tail.pdfFetching info... Expand Chief has a number of videos...but this is a good place to start. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/343/framing-a-roof.html?playlist=146 Not really sure what you mean by "birds mouth" cut at the rafter tail? Something like this pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Edit All Roof Planes> Options> Boxed Eaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Might want to make sure you have this box checked also... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EconBlueprints Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 12:04 PM, SNestor said: Chief has a number of videos...but this is a good place to start. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/343/framing-a-roof.html?playlist=146 Not really sure what you mean by "birds mouth" cut at the rafter tail? Something like this pic? Expand Yes, that is what I want it to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EconBlueprints Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 Yes and no. I looked at the training video, and it appears the rafter tail is controlled by the vertical dimension of the fascia. Not the way it works in real life, but apparently the way you have to do it in Chief. I did see where you can add rafter tails from the library, and I am working on that to see how I can do a custom rafter tail. Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 12:31 PM, EconBlueprints said: Yes and no. I looked at the training video, and it appears the rafter tail is controlled by the vertical dimension of the fascia. Not the way it works in real life, but apparently the way you have to do it in Chief. I did see where you can add rafter tails from the library, and I am working on that to see how I can do a custom rafter tail. Lane Expand I did a video on rafter tails sometime ago...maybe it’ll get you started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EconBlueprints Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 Steve, Thanks a million! Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 12:50 PM, SNestor said: I did a video on rafter tails sometime ago...maybe it’ll get you started. Expand Very good, thank you. Trying to get this down, but my new rafter tails do not seen to want to go all the way to the backs of my eve facia. What am I missing ? Park Tree Lane.plan for Chief Forum.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 12:44 AM, solver said: Plan on left done just now, right side done when rafter tails were first added to Chief. Except for the profile, settings look to be the same. Tried several profiles today and all show the gap. Expand Interesting, think I will send the plan in to Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 2:00 AM, JJohnson said: Interesting, think I will send the plan in to Chief. Expand Set your Rafters to Square Cut and let me know if that fixes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Would need to play a little more but it seems the custom profile orients itself starting from the bottom tip. Some profiles might work ok that way but the majority of typical profiles seem to work out better with the square cut setting. May be a documentation deficiency but have not checked that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 2:47 AM, solver said: Is this another incomplete feature from Chief? Expand It only seems to come into play if you have a fascia board and if necessary you could compensate by using the profile extension setting. Sorry it is the sub fascia that is causing the issue and yes that might be worth submitting to see what sort of comment you might get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 3:05 AM, Chopsaw said: It only seems to come into play if you have a fascia board and if necessary you could compensate by using the profile extension setting. Sorry it is the sub fascia that is causing the issue and yes that might be worth submitting to see what sort of comment you might get. Expand I did send it in, so we will see. I try to show framing the way we do it here in CA (my area anyway) and we do not use sub facia anywhere. Just 2x eves and gable end "barge" rafters with shadow boards to cover roof sheathing edge (covered by rain gutter on eves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 3:18 AM, JJohnson said: I did send it in, so we will see. I try to show framing the way we do it here in CA (my area anyway) and we do not use sub facia anywhere. Just 2x eves and gable end "barge" rafters with shadow boards to cover roof sheathing edge (covered by rain gutter on eves) Expand I think the problem is in the way you drew the rafter tail molding profile. See the attached pics. I modified the front edge of your "rafter tail" design...made it vertical and aligned the top and bottom edges so they finished in the same plane...applied it to your roof...reframed. All looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 4:00 PM, SNestor said: I think the problem is in the way you drew the rafter tail molding profile. See the attached pics. I modified the front edge of your "rafter tail" design...made it vertical and aligned the top and bottom edges so they finished in the same plane...applied it to your roof...reframed. All looks good. Expand But that gives us an angled facia, which would not easily receive rain gutters. My first try I made the profile at the slope of the roof, and it showed up as half size. Then I rotated the drawing to horizontal to get what you see in my plan. Whatever is going on, your try did overcome the gap situation, which I believe to be related to sub facia empty space, and my not wanting sub facia, but you may not omit sub facia, just change it to 1/16". Looking forward to hearing from CA. Thank You ! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNestor Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 6:45 PM, JJohnson said: But that gives us an angled facia, which would not easily receive rain gutters. My first try I made the profile at the slope of the roof, and it showed up as half size. Then I rotated the drawing to horizontal to get what you see in my plan. Whatever is going on, your try did overcome the gap situation, which I believe to be related to sub facia empty space, and my not wanting sub facia, but you may not omit sub facia, just change it to 1/16". Expand I just think it's all in the execution...I doubt there is any issue with the software. I drew a rafter tail is section...made the polyline match the roof pitch. Drew the tail design. Then, copied and rotated it so it was "level"...no longer at an 8/12 pitch. Saved the tail design as a molding into the library. I then selected this tail in the roof DBX and changed a few setting so that the fascia was plumb and attached a gutter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:27 PM, SNestor said: I just think it's all in the execution...I doubt there is any issue with the software. I drew a rafter tail is section...made the polyline match the roof pitch. Drew the tail design. Then, copied and rotated it so it was "level"...no longer at an 8/12 pitch. Saved the tail design as a molding into the library. I then selected this tail in the roof DBX and changed a few setting so that the fascia was plumb and attached a gutter. Expand That's it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJohnson Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Screen shot sent with solution. Thanks to Steve N and Kristopher, Chief Architect Technical Consultant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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