Joe, I have no idea why you think the plan scale macro (%scale%) us useless? I do use it on every plan I do. I have never used the "%box_scale% macro". I have been putting the plan scale macro in my plans for years. Once it's in the plan, I send it to the layout at whatever scale I need. When viewing the layout, you could always zoom in and out and see the scale change in the layout just like as if you were looking at it in plan view. When you print it or make a pdf, it shows the correct scale in the pdf from which the plan or view was sent. This has always worked in previous versions, why not X6? I'm not asking for anything new, at least in previous versions.