mrscott

Ahh.. and the saga continues...

Hey Richard, As I finish up what I hope will be my last plan in Chief, I ran into the same height adjustment issues. The engineering shifted to 24" Open Web Trusses (OWT). After adjusting the Floor Structure in Defaults, deleted the 18" trusses, I re-drew the new trusses. All data was correct but the trusses did not draw as 24". A few Floor beams I added were correct, which clued me in on the error, but it was not until I reached out the Michael Pache was the problem solved. He suggested showing the floor structure as I-Joist and then when all is fine, delete the i-Joist and manually draw the OWT. The floor above is not the same footprint of the floor below and due to the 30' open span below, the Trusses will be applied to the entire floor structure. In addition to the above I still run into, IMHO, far too many little quirks that still rear their ugly head. I applaud all the dedicated Chief loyalist who have managed, good or bad, a method to working through these issues. What would be helpful, but unlikely, is a video step x step process of how to manage changes in Chief. Every Architect makes changes and no matter how well you do on the initial pass, when changes wreak havoc on the plan. All that being said, the fact that ROOMS still control far too much. Why not use Stories Like all the MAJOR Architectural Programs do.

Thanks RR. It totally unlike me to go off the deep end. Just goes to show how bad it can be when one feels helpless and ignored. My apologies to all of you good people. The fact so many commented some positive and some negative goes to show how much You care and relate. As I said, I don’t hate the program. I just wish I knew then what I know now what Options I have and would’nt even be here. Chief has some pretty nice features it’s just too bad it’s not as complete as others so I’m off to new platform. If anyone is interested in what I am seeing that is not here. Drop me a private msg and I can arrange to send you a video that will blow your minds. Whether you have 1 or as Perry said 4000+ plans, you don’t know what you’re missing. cheers and success to all!

PART 3 AFTER CLOSING ERROR BUG PART 2, I SAVED AS 4.1 REOPENED LAYOUT DOUBLE CLICKED ON LINKED PLAN FILE OPENED CAD, DEFAULT LAYER ITEM TO EDIT LABEL BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUG, BUG,BUG AGAIN! CHIEF....WILL YOU EVER GET YOUR PROGRAM TO WORK WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES AND OR SUGGESTING YOU SELL ME A TRAINING PACKAGE? "I'M SORRY BUT WE ARE UNABLE TO REPRODUCE THIS ERROR IN OUR SYSTEM" BLA...BLA..BLA...

PART 3 AFTER CLOSING ERROR BUG PART 2, I SAVED AS 4.1 REOPENED LAYOUT DOUBLE CLICKED ON LINKED PLAN FILE OPENED CAD, DEFAULT LAYER ITEM TO EDIT LABEL BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUG, BUG,BUG AGAIN! CHIEF....WILL YOU EVER GET YOUR PROGRAM TO WORK WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES AND OR SUGGESTING YOU SELL ME A TRAINING PACKAGE?

PART 2 AFTER POSTING THE FIRST BUG, I DID NOT SAVE ANYTHING. I EXITED AND RESTARTED THEN PART 2

Why am I not suprised by this? Opening a X10 file I have been working on for a week now. An ESOP with the same problems I have been having since Day 1 of using Chief (And you wonder why I think Chief is Crap compared to ArchiCAD). I am only posting this for the benefit of the wonderful friends I have met over the years who have chosen to fight it out and deal with the BS at Chief. ASSERTION ERROR - (I.E. BUGS, BUGS, BUGS, AND MORE BUGS) "HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO BET CHIEF SAYS..."I'M SORRY BUT WE ARE UNABLE TO REPRODUCE THIS ERROR IN OUR SYSTEM" BLA...BLA..BLA... Assertion failed: A serious error occurred. Do not save the file in its current state. If you want to try saving your work, use Save As to create a new file. Please restart the program and contact Technical Support. C:\p4sync\dev\Releases\20.2\chief\source\Edit\EditBehavior.cpp(841): Error #272000999 "A serious error occurred. Do not save the file in its current state. If you want to try saving your work, use Save As to create a new file. Please restart the program and contact Technical Support." 5/8/2018 6:54:31 AM Build: 20.2.3.3x64 STEPS: Opened file. Open CAD Default Living space box BOOM! ERROR,ERROR,ERROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU CARE TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHER UNEXPLAINED CHIEF BUGS I HAVE ENCOUNTERED I WILL GLADLY SHARE A SCREEN SHOT OF MY SUPPORT FILE LIST. FUTURE USER OF CHIEF BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gave you a thumbs up.

It looks like there have been 5 updates since X10 went final release. I noticed on today's... 2 20.2.3.3 Update Notes 2.1 Electrical • Fixed a problem that could cause all electrical objects attached to walls to be removed from a plan when Undo was used after certain actions. 2.2 Roofs • Fixed a crash relating to frieze molding that occurred when some plans were opened. Although is good to know what is in the update vague notations such as "after certain actions." indicates they don't really know what caused the issue so, how can one know to test the update for problem resolution or what a user is doing that may have caused the issue to surface in the first place. I think I make a valid point here why? Well, Chief's tech support has stated on numerous occasions there are many ways to do things to achieve the desired results. What was reported that prompted Chief to delve into this particular issue that warranted a revisions? Many of you have beat me down and demoted my points (not really sure what the point of those things are in the first place but whatever) for be critical of Chief. Well, I have also stated, often in the same context, how good Chief is at many things, and it is good at many things, in fact it does many things beautifully! The only point(s) I am trying to make here is get the core features of the "Professional Version" of your product at least as solid as the competition first. The other bells and whistles will only add value to the rest. I will never completely abandon Chief, if not for the many things it does well, but for you guys, the great people I have come to know through the years. I have never been one to accept the status quo and have always kept my eye on what others programs are doing. If there appears, through exploration, to be a product that makes sense to me I will investigate. I could go on but I will leave you with this. When Chief gets the Stair Tool to a professional level of capability and does away with rooms that drive practically everything and moves to Story for levels for defining elevations, and does away with the separate LAYOUT and puts everything in one file like REVIT, ARCHICAD, VECTORWORKS, to name a few, then I can honestly support Chief as a Professional Architectural Design Software. P.S. I am more than happy to speak with anyone wishing to know more but not here. I am only trying to encourage Chief as a Company....Come on guys you're so close and believe you can do it. Pretty pictures, Elaborate libraries are nothing more than putting a very $5000 paint job on a dirt track bumper car. To the professional, this adds ZERO value when I need a solid can do it all software package to produce CONDOCs. The paint job is secondary. BTW..I wish there was a way to point at the Reputation button with Laughing icon. I really don't get where some of you are coming from. I don't hate Chief! I just wish they would fix the things that have been half baked for too long and stop pushing out new stuff for the sake of sales. I was a $450 a year SSA contributor for many years but that stopped this year and will not return and Chief gets it together. As for the reputation points. I wish I could remove them altogether. I could not care less what they are there for and feel sorry for those who do. So sad!

Jintu, From this post. I too was shocked to read it. Please tell me I miss Read it?

Graham, I respectfully disagree. If anything has a challenging "Learning Curve" it is Chief. I learned more from than anything else I have seen from the MFG. Frankly I am SICK of all the Marketing videos Chief is posting all over YouTube. If you want to see how easy it to use LUMION go to Lynda-dot-com and watch Brian Myers' Lumion Essential Training. Best 4:47 min I have spent on any training product. His courses in REVIT are some of the BEST in the industry, too. I know Jintu commented that Lumion may not be up with Chief now that Chief has PBR, and that has elevated the product, but there are still far too many issues with Chief that have steered me to seek other products. I only come here a post like this raises my BP. Like you, many have mastered Chief, but for me, I just cannot get my head around this vast number of issues (workarounds) required to accomplish the end result. I have posted videos from my YouTube channel but for some reason they get pulled or rejected. If you want more...call me. you know how to reach me. All the best,

Yes Rene, outstanding! I love the lighter Oak look. Stunning job my Man! Thanks!

3D Warehouse is an incredible Resource for Chief, Revit and ARCHICAD by Graphisoft. Oh, and for use with Sketchup too. I know you can create "Collections" there, but what I would really like to know, if any of you have figured this out, is how to extract individual objects from Chief's library and create an exportable collection of multi-platform objects. Chief has some pretty good stuff too but what a PITA to have to drag a single object to a blank plan, display it in a 3D Perspective Camera, and then export the model to SKP, 3DS, etc for use in other apps. The best solution I have found for LUMION 8 Pro is Collada.DAE. Thoughts anyone?

Well, if you have watched any of the promo videos of Chief X10 the lady narrating the videos is Carrie. She’s a very nice person and a dedicated Chief Employee. My disappointment is with Chief X10 as a “Professional” product. IMHO, this is subjective. If they would simply cease with further devopment and focus on producing a core product that can truly compete with REVIT, Archicad and Vectorworks they would have a “true” professional level program. Is Chief a nice package for doing many design elements easily that look great and comes with a lot of stuff at a reasonable price .... absolutely! My point is....it appears they have to potential to make a real impact in the professional world of Architeure if they would only stop chasing the fluff. Every package has it’s issues but the afformentionedbare used by the masses because do everything! So, does this new update addresss? Perhaps, but is only one of many. If want more of what I am pissed about call. I’d be happy to share it all.