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Yep....that was definitely it. Been struggling with it for sometime. Never put 2 and 2 together! It just does not make any sense. On the plus side, it is like having a new computer. Spending today tweaking my fresh install. I probably would not have to done it but I am past that point, so I might as well make the best of it. With Win10, it is actually pretty easy. It has a "refresh" function where it reloads the OS but leaves all your files intact. I used a separate data drive and for years, when I install anything, I save the install file to a folder in there. Makes reloading simple. Just ticking off the list.

Subb'd for later reading. Thanks for the help Mick

Nope....nothing in chief tied to any other drives (other than C). That was weird to me too! Yea....who would have guess this..... The crazy stupid thing is how long I have been living with this! Again, I appreciate your guys help. Just the suggestions kept me going down the trail to figure it out. X10 here I come. Next on the spring cleaning is a brand new annoset/layerset that I have had in mind. My SAM goes back 3 years!!!! About time I did a good template ;D

Ok guys. I figured it out. NEVER in 1,000,000 years. I have been dealing with this for so long, and what a stupid thing was causing it. So, I did a clean windows install, no programs added in just Chief and NO difference. Very frustrated, I leaned back in my chair contemplating my next move. I noticed my DVD drive flashing. I opened it to find an old backup disk I had tried to read, but remember it did not read right, so I forgot about it. (had some old files non chief related). I have no idea how long it has been in there, but the scratches on the DVD made it unreadable. Just for the heck of it, I pulled it out. Launched Chief and WHAMMO, in about 1/2sec the library pops right up! I shut it down and tested it again. BOOM! Fast as lightning. One more time to confirm....and third time, still comes up in a flash. Seems the unreadable DVD disk was interfering with the program at certain times. Weird only on those libraries and only at certain times. I am glad I finally got to the bottom of this, as I have been living with it for waaaay too long. Cant believe it was something that stupid!!! Thanks all for the help. Your encouragement, kept me on the track to get it solved. Just figured I would share and mark as "solved" in case of the weird chance it every happens to someone else. Now I get the fun job of putting all the software back on ;). Guess it is time to make the leap to X10 as well. The only good thing is with a new install, everything will be nice and snappy, I'll take the time to set it all up good! Cant wait to dive into new features of x10. Have not figured out the new saved plan views. Seems annosets have been re prioritized.

Biting bullet and reinstalling windows. Will be a pia since I will have to reinstall all software, but it would be less time then I have spent this far. Only downside is I don't have my x9 product key saved. It's no longer in digital locker. I have a copy of install file, just not key. Weird they remove x9 when x10 is not official yet. Oh well, I can text on x10 and see if the new windows install changes anything. I can call Mon and get my x9 key. I'll update if it works. Going to install everything one by one. Chief being first and see if I have conflicts....

Yep. Also experiencing in a "fresh" install of X10. This is what is making me finally start trouble shooting. I thought I probably just had some junk in my library it did not like. But that is not the case. Since I just made the jump to X10Beta last night, I chose to do a clean install and not carry over my library. When I had same issues, I realized something is not right. I am leaning towards GPU related (even though I dont see any spikes) because if I hide "selection" pane, it does not have to show the items in library. You can navigate all around and no slow down. As soon as you try to see them, that totally grinds to a halt. I am thinking it is happening in other large cat items such as Architectural as well. In the resource monitor, chief descriptions changes to "not responding", but if I wait long enough, it goes back to norm and shows cat.

Yea...I am not seeing any gpu activity. Nope files installed in default c drive location. On X10, I experimented with moving them to a data drive on my system. (x 10 lets you move it around). It made no difference. Same lag in same areas. This leads me to rule out the hard drive. I just tried this. Same exact way. Open new plan, click on library browser. Now here is something new I tried. It wont do it if I turn off Selection panel. If I turn off "Show/hide selection panel" there is no lag at all. This does not let you preview the whole list of materials visually. This is why I am wondering if it is a graphics issues. When locked up and hourglassing, there are no spikes under any parameters, and none go down when the list finally generates.

Guys, I did a screen cap with both X9 and x10 showing same issue. Thanks again for any ideas!

Thanks guys. It is weird. I am not sure if it is video related or not. But very strange that both X9 and X10 behave the same using their unique libraries. (meaning I did not carry over X9 into the X10 install) I have also isolated HD issues, since in X10 it allows you to move library around. I did this on X10 and no difference. @Mick The vid was my X9 lib. If I click right on the materials folder (where it attempts to shows the "selection panel" it will bog as well as it has to access those slow libraries. I figured out I could navigate down the tree and isolate which ones were slow. I am hoping this will lead to some ideas for a fix, but it is very strange since BOTH versions are doing this with their own libraries. Again, I appreciate all the help.

I just did a fresh install of X10 with NEW core library. Performs same in X9 as X10. (Separate libraries) Here is a screen cap of exactly what it does.

OK, I have figured out something. If I navigate down the directory tree, I was able to isolate what boggs my system down. Specifically under core: "Fabric and wallcoverings" "Flooring" "siding and paneling" Everything else pops right up. Even tile which seems to be as complex as the above.... Does it in both X9 and X10. Any stabs at this one?

ssid is a Corsair Force GS. It is just using stock windows driver. I could update driver, but dont think it is that as see below. (same issue moving lib to another browser) I am working on a fairly fresh install of Win10. Only a few months old since I re-did my install. Cant remember if it was doing it before. I also did not think it was HD as X10 allows you to move library. I moved my X10 to a conventional data drive on my PC. Same result. Almost 1 min to see the materials folder. I also updated my Nvida driver just as a shot in the dark, but that did not do anything. It is only in chief that I see any lags, and only when opening larger library folders. There was one stone cat in the manuf. Coronado stone. It is almost 3/4gb with big textures. It tonally locks up for minutes if I click on it. Something about opening larger libraries.......

Expanding on this idea. There is a truth in life. If people want to steal something, they will. The idea of a software company needing to make their software company needing it to be so secure that it cant be worked around. But who is this stopping? It is only stopping people who would not have bought the software anyway. Sure, they got on a torrent site and got a "free" copy of chief (except library probably wont work). Is this really adding to Chiefs bottom line? I dont think so. I dont think those people would have bought the software anyway. Most people using 'cracked' software just like to collect things I think and get off on getting them for free. Chief is not a bootleg copy of an audio file. It is a professional CAD tool, that takes major investment of time to become proficient with. Are those teenagers in their parents basement really gonna get a bootleg copy and then find a way to populate the library, and then go really use the software? I just dont see it. I have no problem paying for something that I use as much as I do and keep revenue coming in for chief along with improvements. (some I want more than others ). I think Chief may be risking alienating some long time users with some valid points. I am in the camp I would just like to register once on a machine my valid copy. I dont like to work from laptops (at all). I am addicted to my workstation with 3 monitors, a programmed gaming keypad and 2 mouses. I also NEVER want to draw in front of a client. Just the way I use the product. Just a thought. Crooks will be crooks. Its my opinion that making the software harder to crack, does not necessarily generate more customers.

10-4. But I guess I just have to take your word for it in this case. What makes it look bad is when another poster inquires about it, and HIS post is deleted. Again, I still dont have any idea what is going on. Just does not look good. This forum is usually made up of pretty even headed guys (and gals .) I just like to make those judgements on my own. Anyway. Back on topic of no hardware locks. I have debated this internally for sometime. I really dont like the reliance of a server somewhere to have access to my work. BUT i have lived with it as it seems to be the way things go these days. But....as I do in other aspects of my life. "What if"...... What if Chief closes its doors and turns off the lights? Valid question for sure.

10-4. I just installed what you recommended. "Deep" is an understatement! I think I saw too much! Not sure if I am ready to tackle that. My computer knowledge is enough to be dangerous but ends at some old dos command I still remember. I think I will call tech support and see if they have any ideas. Heck, I make a call to them once ever 2 years on avg, so maybe they can help. Thanks!

10-4 Have no idea of beef going on, but find it strange to just wipe it away. Anyway, as a long time user, I have proven my loyalty to a company. I still do have concerns when I see issues raised. I'd prefer to decide on my own what my opinion might be rather than just "erase" them and be left wondering....

Thank you. Yes, I am figuring it is a system thing. Just trying to get to bottom of it. Not familiar with sysinternals process monitor. Will try to look it up. I have been looking at processes under Task manager. Nothing seems overly strained...etc. Definitely need to try to get to bottom. Thanks for the idea.

I just read a post in here. Talking about disagreement about new release. Are posts being censored or deleted by people? Seems kind of weird to not let open discussion go on. Did I miss something? I dont know anything about the current discourse, but I can say from experience that overhanded moderation and post deletion/censorship does not usually go down well. I get locking threads if they turn totally unproductive. But erasing stuff starts to raise eyebrows. Just as in this case. It makes whoever is deleting them look 'guilty' of sorts. We are adults here. We are also paying customers. Now I am curious as to what is going on. AND if someone decides to delete this thread.......well, I will know where my 20 years of Chief loyalty gets me. Whats up guys?....

I am starting a different thread as I thought it was a compromised library, but that is not the case. I started having problems in X9 but have been living with them. On new install of X10 have same issue so I figure it is time to get to bottom of it. Issue: Can best be seen opening Chief for first time. Open a 3d view (can even be a new plan with just 4 walls). Click material painter in from 3D view. Select "core catalog" and it will take 50sec to a minute to read. After that it is not as bad. But it has gotten very annoying. Same in X9. Cant remember how long I have been living with it, but finally motivated to get it right before going to X10. Originally I thought it was my X9 library so when I installed X10, I installed a "clean" install with new lib. X10 exhibits same behavior. Specs of PC I7 4790K 24gb ram GtX970 VIDEO CARD Programs running off SSID drive. Here is what I have done. No changes -fresh install X10, new CORE lib. (no change) -Moved library to another HD (new feature in X10) No change -Ran memory diagnostic in window. (no mem errors) -Opened library data file locations and under properties made sure all folders and subs were set to "general" no change I'd like to try to get to bottom of this if anyone has any ideas. Thanks in advance for any help

I was thinking that might be an issue. Hardware is pretty decent. I built it myself a few years back. I74790K overclocked, 24g ram gtx970 video card. SSID for programs and a few conventional for backups and extra data.... Definitely time to get to bottom of it! I'll let you guys know what I come up with. I am excited to dive into X10, but have to keep my workflow going on the other end as well. At least it will give me time for fully explore how I want to set it up. Thanks!

Wow. Awesome help. That will be a great tool in trying to figure this out. I also was thinking of holding off on bringing all my annosets and custom tool bars over into X10 before I have a chance to see the new features. The guys at chief usually have some things in mind with layout on new features like the save plan views. Migrating over my settings might make seeing how they can work for me more difficult. I spent too long before I adopted annosets. Now, I could never live without. I want to explore x10 before jumping in. I am way overdue on updating my templates and cleaning up layersets...etc. Been using SAM for so long I looked at my time log the other day and it goes back to 2014! I'd say it is about time for a fresh start!!! Thanks for the help!!!

BTW.... I tried the install content, it said "library up to date". I am not so much worried about fixing X9. Now I have to figure out why my lib is running so slow in general. I have a little downtime this weekend to play around with it. But have been too busy to stop and try to track issue down. Weird thing is it was slow in the new install of X10 with NEW lib installed. I cant believe everyone's it that slow. Again, worst is when I hit material painter for the first time from a 3d view. After that it is not as bad. (as if it has cashed some of the info...) If anyone has experienced, I would love some insight. I know I could always call tech support. Just have not slowed down long enough to try to fix this. If I can make any progress this weekend, that would be great.

I just re-installed X10 and did not carry over library. Sure enough, when I loaded a model, and opened a 3d view to hit material painter, it took 45 seconds to open when I selected Chief "core" catalog. It is installed on a SSID. Anybody else experience slow library like this. Happens in both X9 and now X10. I was living with it before, but figured it was time to start hunting down the fix. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

I finally am making the jump over to X10 and noticed I had the same issue with my main core library, and materials. There is a significant lag when I open for first time. Sometimes with the material painter for example it will take 30-45 sec before I can expand down directory trees. When I experienced the issue with X10 I figure it is time to do something about it. Thinking something about my core lib is messed up and jut migrating over to X10 and same issue, leads me to believe it is the case. I am not ready to plunge into X10 yet, so wondering if there is a way to relaod core on X9? Or if that does not work, I can delete X10 and then re-install, and dont allow it to carry the X9 Lib over?.... That would mean I would have to start using X10 though, which I am not sure I am ready until I wrap up a few more projects. Any thoughts? Thanks!

Here is a very quick demonstration of workflow of chief to lumion. 5 min vid. You can then start adding more effects and lighting (all in real time where you can see finished look). Just putting this here as there was some curiosity. Wish I could justify the upgrade to 8 but I dont often have builders request the 3d stuff. This was a plan mod for a builder and the client wanted the exterior modeled. (just quickly)