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58 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

Here's a really quick example plan for you Joe...

Example.plan

 

Just toggle back and forth between the "With Fills" and "WITHOUT Fills" Plan Views to see what I mean.

That's a pretty cool trick. I like it!

Thank You

Yes, of course. Sorry for not being more clear.

I would like to have these two views for the same plan. One for roof view and one for my framing but on the framing I don't want the fill pattern to show up. I would typically outline the roof with a poly-line and then put the fill pattern in to accomplish this.

My question is;

Is there a way to just fill the roof planes like I did in this drawing and have another plan view that doesn't have the fill pattern in it? When I create a different plan view just for framing and I delete the fill it also deletes it in my roof view. I was wondering if there is a layer for the fill pattern or do I just have to outline it like I usually do and make a layer for it myself?

Even when you do a hatch fill in a room you can't shut it off in other views as far as I know unless I create it myself with a poly-line union.

I hope this makes sense

Is there a way to toggle on and off a fill pattern without deleting it? I would like to have a fill pattern in one view and not the other view for the same room. I know I can do a work around but is there a layer for the fill pattern somewhere?

Help Please!

7 hours ago, Designer1 said:

Thanks Eric.  I was able to send the file in to Chief.  I originally was asking about locating the archive files because I was going to go around the newest messed up file and try and work with an older one and avoid whatever was making problems for X11.  Since Dermot recommended me to send the whole file in I figured looking for the archive wasnt important at this point.  So hopefully I will hear back next week what went wrong with the file.

I have been having an ongoing problem. When I open Chief on an external monitor it locks up and also every time I run 3D on an external monitor it locks up.

Not sure if its related so i will follow this thread. Please keep me in the loop if you can.

46 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

If you could please quote me next time so I will get notification,I'd appreciate it.... else I might've missed this question   

 

If I split a 3d view out of CA and the window-left arrow to tile my 2 CA instances I get this result:

notice my 3d toolbars are on the side, and my plan toolbars are top and bottom.

I've actually been reducing my toolbars to just user added items as I transition to my new toolbar system on my touch tablet.

I'm typing this response using my ipad with this system- which is in development still:

this layout has already changed quite a bit since these screenshots were taken

 

 

 

You really impress me Rene! You are a total out of the box thinker. I wont even try to do what you do but you give me great ideas that help me!

Thank You!

Do you have a You-tube Channel?

12 hours ago, Designer1 said:

I was working on a plan in X11 that started slowly locking up, meaning I would change the location of a wall and then it would basically do the hour glass thinking type thing and wouldnt ever stop and force you to use task manager to shut chief down.  It worked for awhile but the frequency of this happening increased to the point where once you opened X11 and selected the plan it would just sit and think about opening it but the progress bar would never get to the point of opening it up.

 

This isnt a project that must be finished now but I did want to work on it. I tried opening X10 and of course that didnt work because it was already worked on in X11.  Where in the C drive can I access archives where I can select an older version of the plan and either try opening the older version in X10 or try another file that was from a few days ago to find out if that will work in X11? 

 

I was thinking about just emailing tech support but dont think the entire plan will fit in the space required and I cant even open the file to erase a lot of the stuff to make the file smaller.

 

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Out of curiosity, 

Are you using a desk top computer or a lap top? And are you using additional monitors?

3 hours ago, SNestor said:

If it were me...I'd adjust my Layer Set first, copy a set that is similar and give it a new name; Then create the unique annotations that are needed for the new plan view...I'd get the plan looking and working exactly the way I want it to, color, fonts, text etc...then, click the "save plan view as" icon.  

 

Say you are using your "Floor Plan" plan view.  It's working just fine....but, you create a foundation from the floor plan.  Now you are looking at a foundation view...using your "Floor Plan" plan view set.  Open the "active defaults" and create a new layer set called "foundation plan layer set"...change any other item such as rich text, text, line color and weight, etc.. You may have to experiment to get exactly what you want.  Then, click the "save as" plan view button.  I think that's all you need to do.

 

The one thing that always gets me is that Chief warns that the view has changed..."do you want to save it".  This is weird...because you just created and "saved as" a new view.  So...maybe it's a bit quirky.  I'm not an expert on Plan Views...still learning like the rest of you.  But, this is how I think it works...

I don't see anything quirky as far as plan views are concerned. Chief has made it really simple. 

When you save a plan view and you change your layers around while you are working on each view it automatically saves the layers to that specific view.

Another thing I do is save my Framing plan view and then I go to the foundation off the framing view and then I save that as the foundation plan view. It works really well. I have had no troubles like I usually do with layers getting messed up in the layout plan.

In this picture is my list so far that I have set up. Also when you name the plan view, that name goes to the label in your layout so I put the scale in the name so it automatically shows.

Same thing with the cross sections names and labels.

I don't know a lot about google drive but I have been using dropbox since it came out years a ago. Whenever I looked at anything else like google drive for instance I'm never impressed so I stick with dropbox. It's like an old hat that is broken in and you just don't want to get rid of it because its so comfortable. 

10 minutes ago, Michael_Gia said:

Of course you can. Change something in a default from the active default list in the “saved plan view” dbx, and any plan view that uses that default is changed as well.

The only difference is that, as was mentioned, since you have this control from the saved plan view dbx, anno sets are redundant. 

 

Which leads us us all the way back to OP’s original question in the post he started. 

You just made my point. You cant mess up one plan view when your messing with the other plan view that is not connected. Default changes are another issue because they are global for the entire plan.

8 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

It's 100% independent if when you "Save As" it references a different Layer Set but all the other active defaults for each new Plan View is 100% independent. They might be the same, but as soon as a New Plan View is created those active defaults belong to that Plan View and only that Plan View - unless it references the same Layer Set..

Yes, this is what I like about it. You cant screw-up the plan view when you are editing other plan views. The control is wonderful and it is easy!

It is my understanding as I have been using plan views that when you "Save As" a new view it is now 100% independent of every-other view as far as when you add text, dimensions, call outs, layers, scales.....

Is this correct or am I wrong?

On 2/25/2019 at 9:35 AM, Alaskan_Son said:

 

 

Yep...all this stuff...

 

Simple! Thank you!

10 hours ago, Kbird1 said:

 

Many Defaults can/could be Reset with Edit>Reset to Defaults 1st , though I guess that could mess things up too....

 

What is "Roof directives in walls" mean? I understand what a directive is but I don"t understand what it does with the walls to the roof.

1 hour ago, solver said:

 

Sounds like the roof just needed to move up a foot, so selecting the roof planes and Transform/Replicate to move.

Yes, that was a thought but I had to move some walls also so I rebuilt it.

Good point though Eric!

Its not hard to raise the roof even if it is manually built.

I had an issue where I had to change the first floor from 8' to 9' and I had to rebuild my roof because it would not move. Auto roofs are easy to rebuild but it was all manually built because it was not a typical roof design.

I

20 hours ago, SNestor said:

Thanks for that info...much appreciated.  It doesn’t sound like a glitch...it’s consistent behavior.  I’m satisfied.  

It could show a dotted line or something in the preview but I agree I'm satisfied with not sowing anything in the preview because there is really nothing to see and it makes no difference. It works just fine.

49 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

..and X11

 

 

Nice detective work Larry!

Not sure if this has anything to do with it but you need to make sure you are viewing it with the "full camera view" and not the "floor camera view".

23 hours ago, Kbird1 said:

 

Thanks for the Diagram   will be handy when dealing with Lighting especially, which is the only place in the Manual I have ever seen Chief explain any of this actually, it's like you should "just know" the 0-180 line is the Horizon Line, but looking at the Diagram I realised it's just like looking at my old Drawing Protractor ( flipped down for the negatives) , so I made a quick Reference Image, figured someone else maybe able to use it too, if they have a "Practical " Brain like me....it's likely you can make it better than mine but I'm more about Function than Form

 

If you search the Ref. Manual there is a bit on the Horizon deal with Light Data or there is some info in this KB Tutorial on light too.

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-00777/working-with-light-sources.html

 

 



 

 

 

 

I love this protractor diagram!

I printed it and posted it on the wall in front of me to help me get a visual as I'm working on my plan.

Thank you Michael also for starting this example with your diagram!

I ALSO ADDED THE X AND Y TO IT FOR THE AXIS TO HELP BETTER WITH THE VISUAL

9 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

Just to be clear, you started a new plan and got the same whacky default results?

Yes and reading help right now to see if there might be something I'm missing.

17 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

Thanks Joe but I don't see any change when I do that??? Do the floor heights change to defaults when you uncheck that box? I do want a mono slab foundation and there's no way I know of having the mono slab box checked and the "Floor supplied by foundation room below." Still missing something..

I need to understand this myself. But it doesn't appear that your doing anything wrong because I started a new plan from scratch and got the same results. Not sure ifs it's a glitch or I'm just missing something.

Here is the one most important thing that I remember learning from the CA lesson video when I first started in 2004. I often forget and have to remind myself and it gets me out of a lot of trouble when I go back to this concept.

AS A BUILDER:

We build the foundation first and work our way up. Its the only way to do it.

AS A CHIEF ARCHITECT (or just a designer/architect in general) USER:

We design the look of our building first. We begin drawing walls and the roof and then build our foundation and then our framing. Not exactly in this order but always our walls come first then we have to set our elevations. So in-other-words, we have to think backwards from how the builder will build it.

I believe this is the very first thing a person needs to understand when you start using this program and if you keep this always in the back of your mind as your building it will solve a lot of your problems.

If a person move's forward after the walls are drawn and go's immediately to the roof and does not review all the elevations in the orthographic or perspective views then that is usually where all the mistakes are made. You need to make sure everything is connected properly and all the elevations are correct. Otherwise everything else you add to it will not work properly.

ANOTHER POINT ID WOULD LIKE TO MAKE:

You also have to understand that we all don't retain information as well as others so we have to be patient with each other. We all learn differently. That is why I like this forum so well. I think for the most part this is understood and we have some good teachers here! Thank You!

TIP:

I myself like to use an old-fashioned address book to keep by my side and I use the alphabetical order to put my topic in and then the instruction of what I learned, Its easy for me to find that way. There are several ways to do it but this works for me.

Hope this helps someone and I appreciate everyone that is part of this forum!

18 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

Hey Joe,

 

Was going to try and explain how Chief works and came up against this little bit of crazy....

 

Attached the plan cause I might need some help...

 

Larry,

You need to uncheck the "Floor Supplied by the Foundation Room Below" on your first floor structure tab and it will fix it.

18 minutes ago, HumbleChief said:

floor_level_1_test.plan

On 2/21/2019 at 6:27 AM, HumbleChief said:

Great advice as always but this might be a pretty simple problem - unless I'm missing something...

 

 

This video helped me because as I use this technique before I don't think I was paying much attention to the "Floor Below" box and I think it was causing me to go back and forth a lot. I would eventually get it figured out but didn't know why and so I know you were helping someone else but this video helped me.

Also, I don't know that I understood in full starting at the top. I'm assuming that the floor above effects the floor below but not visa-versa. Is that a correct statement?

Thank You

I started using Notes. They are actually pretty easy to use once you read the directions in help. Very nice!