rikdekker Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'm having trouble trying to get the windows to place properly. The brick mould should be inset into the brick but wants to sit on top of the brick. I have had them work properly on previous drawings but for some reason I cannot figure out how to get it to work. I have exhausted every option! Any hints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Post the Plan...... Recessed to Sheathing would normally do it though.... it would be good to know what Version you are using too...most people put it in their Signature , so they don't need to post it each time they ask a question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Probably you should be looking at Window DBX>Options>Recessed into Wall. However, you should be including your Version in your signature, as Mick suggests. Any hint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Thanks for your replies. The situation is double brick walls in a century home. Wanted to draw them that way because of renovations. With this type of wall the "recess to sheathing" option is not active. I suppose the only way is to cheat and use a framed wall but change wall fill to angle hatch to look like brick on the plan view. No time to be anal, gotta keep moving. It just seems like a detail the program should understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, rikdekker said: Thanks for your replies. The situation is double brick walls in a century home. Wanted to draw them that way because of renovations. With this type of wall the "recess to sheathing" option is not active. I suppose the only way is to cheat and use a framed wall but change wall fill to angle hatch to look like brick on the plan view. No time to be anal, gotta keep moving. It just seems like a detail the program should understand. it's not a wall definition issue is it? being a double brick wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, solver said: I guess it is..... they make that HouseWrap real thick in AZ I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Again, thanks for steering me in the right direction. It's not really fix but a little cheating and it works. Looks much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 @solver, the program understands House wrap to be the sheathing layer? because I tried that trick with sheathing but it did not recognize it. I ended up as I said just fudging the wall thickness and changing the framing fill to brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 I like your cheat better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 and recess to the MAIN Layer = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 You should be able to get what you want by unchecking exterior casing (if required). Then on the Window Specification>Frame panel......uncheck Fit Frame to Wall and play with the Depth and Inset settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, rikdekker said: @solver, the program understands House wrap to be the sheathing layer? because I tried that trick with sheathing but it did not recognize it. I ended up as I said just fudging the wall thickness and changing the framing fill to brick. Sorry I didn't mean to confuse the issue with my joke about the 2" thick house wrap , I knew it should be an Insulation Air Gap and he was just in a hurry. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 For some reason ,earlier when I used the double brick wall type, the "Recess into Wall" option was not active and showed as a pale grey colour. I'm guessing because I copied and pasted the wall from an older version plan ( like X7 or so) since it was not in my wall type library. I'm going too try and set up a new Double Brick wall type and see if that behaves properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 @glennw but then I don't show the brickmold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, rikdekker said: I'm going too try and set up a new Double Brick wall type and see if that behaves properly. This is the one I made above Double Brick 9in with Plaster Wall.calibz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 @Kbird1 are you using X11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 No worries, mystery is mostly solved. I just shouldn't import stuff from old drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Kbird are you using X11? Double Brick Wall Plan_X10.plan Thought you might say that so here is X10 you can get x11 if you have SSA *** the Brick Mould is from the Azek Library , so you may need to install it if you want a True Brick Mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 I still had the original wall type on the upper floor. How do I make the air gap the main layer? Also noticed the recess into wall not active on the window preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, rikdekker said: I still had the original wall type on the upper floor. How do I make the air gap the main layer? Also noticed the recess into wall not active on the window preference. Move it down into the Main Layer ..... delete any layers you don't need ...see my Pic above below of the Wall definition Or Save the wall type from my plan to your Library , then draw a short length in your Plan and then you'll find it in the Wall types dropdown and can assign it to the existing walls ...assuming it works for your Build? You may need a framing Layer and drywall too? ( you can then delete the short wall, when done). M. should look like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Aha, just like playing one of those square puzzles where you have to shove the pieces around. Worked though. Been messing with Chief for almost 10 years but seems every day the is another thing to learn. Million thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Also noticed the recess into wall not active on the window preference. I believe the only time that happens is when you have a single layer wall or, more specifically, no layers outside the main layer. Also, I don't think that I would be making the air gap the main layer. What is going to happen when you build a roof for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikdekker Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Glenn Good point. Since, in this case, we are only doing renovations on an existing home i am not to concerned how the roof will look on the plan. Ultimately I feel that Chief should offer more control on the placement of the window or at least, when the wall type box is checked "solid masonry" then the windows should adjust accordingly. I understand that the "masonry" option only refers to the energy value. I suppose I should make a suggestion to Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, glennw said: I believe the only time that happens is when you have a single layer wall or, more specifically, no layers outside the main layer. Also, I don't think that I would be making the air gap the main layer. What is going to happen when you build a roof for instance? Not sure there is a good solution in Chief to get everything right unfortunately , CA doesn't add a Sill plate to the Top of Full Masonry Walls ( eg Brick or CMU/Block) AFAIK for the Roof framing to land on. I thought CA treated Brick walls slightly differently but that maybe only in regards to their alignment with walls above and below. 14 hours ago, glennw said: 14 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Also noticed the recess into wall not active on the window preference. Not quite sure how you quoted me as saying that Glenn , that was Rik's Comment... but thanks for the Tip on the Single Wall layer Issue and recessing Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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