dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said: The pony wall just needs to have a reduced or removed interior drywall layer is all. And P.S. If you use a casing with a profile kinda like this... along with an appropriate rough opening dimension around the door, you can actually get the automatic recess too. Adding a custom color in the groove around the door isn't so auto using this method though... Okay, I'm done with this particular discussion. WAY too easy to spend too much time messing around with and discussing the methods for this type of thing. Great ideas thanks... I didn’t really need the black just the reveal.. if it’s done then the shadow will work to provide the look.. does the door reveal work on both sides? Thanks for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, dskogg said: does the door reveal work on both sides? I haven't tried Michael's S shaped Trim above but NO , as you can only have one side recessed to the framing. I had never noticed before that "recessed" only works on the Exterior side but makes sense for exterior Walls where you want it recessed to sheathing on the Exterior Only but doesn't help in this situation though I am guessing it was not intended for this Application either. The other problem with using the Casing as the Gap too, is that the Gap in my experience does not go to the floor typically but follows the outer edge of the trim. But if you set the Casing on the other side to 1/16th thick , it is hard to see that it is 1/16th thick since it is the same colour as the Door jamb (frame) and the Material region still make it look like the Gap it there. 1/2" thick and 1/16th thick casing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 I am still not sure how to make rough opening make shadow line around door? I had to keep casing checked and make it the same width as door jamb and 1/16" thick. when you have an end wall condition the studs show through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, dskogg said: I am still not sure how to make rough opening make shadow line around door? I had to keep casing checked and make it the same width as door jamb and 1/16" thick. when you have an end wall condition the studs show through? You can blend Black with the Framing Texture ( Copy the Framing material 1st) for the Pony Wall, to eliminate the end wall issue....don't just make the Framing material Black Colour as it won't frame if you do. I didn't use Michael's RO / S trim method so I am not sure , mine is a WMR as noted above..... Are you not having a Casing? (looking at your plan view) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: You can blend Black with the Framing Texture ( Copy the Framing material 1st) for the Pony Wall, to eliminate the end wall issue....don't just make the Framing material Black Colour as it won't frame if you do. I didn't use Michael's RO / S trim method so I am not sure , mine is a WMR as noted above..... Are you not having a Casing? (looking at your plan view) i have a casing...mick how do you copy framing material and blend..are you just painting it in 3d? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Also there is a gap at end of wall where drywall would have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, dskogg said: i have a casing...mick how do you copy framing material and blend..are you just painting it in 3d? Open the Ponywall wall type>select framing layer> Change Material>Plan material> select Framing 16OC >Copy >Rename Framing 16OC Black> General Tab change colour to Black > Texture Tab Blend with Texture > Save Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, dskogg said: Also there is a gap at end of wall where drywall would have been? On the End I found the Base does not recess to the framing layer , it aligns with the Drywall above......but I am not sure what method you are using , as with the pony wall there is no drywall , just framing and two 0" layers of Black colour for the shadow detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Open the Ponywall wall type>select framing layer> Change Material>Plan material> select Framing 16OC >Copy >Rename Framing 16OC Black> General Tab change colour to Black > Texture Tab Blend with Texture > Save Thanks Mick.. I have done this many times just wasn’t sure . yes my pony wall lower wall is two 0” thicknesses of black with framing in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: I haven't tried Michael's S shaped Trim above but NO , as you can only have one side recessed to the framing. I had never noticed before that "recessed" only works on the Exterior side but makes sense for exterior Walls where you want it recessed to sheathing on the Exterior Only but doesn't help in this situation though I am guessing it was not intended for this Application either. The other problem with using the Casing as the Gap too, is that the Gap in my experience does not go to the floor typically but follows the outer edge of the trim. But if you set the Casing on the other side to 1/16th thick , it is hard to see that it is 1/16th thick since it is the same colour as the Door jamb (frame) and the Material region still make it look like the Gap it there. 1/2" thick and 1/16th thick casing Mick I tried doing a material region on an elevation, can’t snap to anything or center, so it’s difficult to get it just right. Doesnt work for me like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, dskogg said: Mick I tried doing a material region on an elevation, can’t snap to anything or center, so it’s difficult to get it just right. Doesnt work for me like you? The WMR will center left / right on the Door if you click the Door even though you get no indication it will center like normal but I couldn't get it height wise had to do that manually......I found I need to pull it down to the bottom of the upper wall only , not to the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: The WMR will center left / right on the Door if you click the Door even though you get no indication it will center like normal but I couldn't get it height wise had to do that manually......I found I need to pull it down to the bottom of the upper wall only , not to the floor. So you have a full case flush on both sides of door? I thought you could only do one side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dskogg said: So you have a full case flush on both sides of door? I thought you could only do one side? No, and yes Casing will only flush on one side if Recessed to main layer is set , on the other side I set the casing to 1/16th thick to make it look more Flush in images. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: The WMR will center left / right on the Door if you click the Door even though you get no indication it will center like normal but I couldn't get it height wise had to do that manually......I found I need to pull it down to the bottom of the upper wall only , not to the floor. 52 minutes ago, dskogg said: Mick I tried doing a material region on an elevation, can’t snap to anything or center, so it’s difficult to get it just right. Doesnt work for me like you? Shoot guys I'm late to the party, I have a pretty fool-proof method I've been using since they introduced material regions..similar to whats already been discussed. looks good: Step 1: Make a custom 9/16" base molding like @Alaskan_Son mentioned and apply it to the room with an offset of 9/16" Step 2: Apply a pony wall- copy your existing wall type and simply change drywall the material to "insulation air gap". Step 3: set casing to the door at 3.5" x 1/16" like @Kbird1 mentioned Step 4: apply a 1/16" material region w/ "cut finish layer of parent object" checked around the door casing. Duplicate this material region and rotate about center of the door so you have it on both sides. No block these 2 material regions and add them to your library. You will need a pair of these material regions for each door/window size you plan on using this detail for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: Shoot guys I'm late to the party, I have a pretty fool-proof method I've been using for ever since they introduced material regions..similar to whats already been discussed. looks good: Step 1: Make a custom 9/16" base molding like @Alaskan_Son mentioned and apply it to the room with an offset of 9/16" Step 2: Apply a pony wall- copy your existing wall type and simply change drywall the material to "insulation air gap". Step 3: set casing to the door at 3.5" x 1/16" like @Kbird1 mentioned Step 4: apply a 1/16" material region w/ "cut finish layer of parent object" checked around the door casing. Duplicate this material region and rotate about center of the door so you have it on both sides. No block these 2 material regions and add them to your library. You will need a pair of these material regions for each door/window size you plan on using this detail for If your material region is only 1/16” how will it be the same depth as the recess above base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, dskogg said: If your material region is only 1/16” how will it be the same depth as the recess above base? the base material I created has a 1/16" leg up -see picture EDIT: it doesnt look like it in the picture but it does have a 1/16" leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I usually can do a whole 2000 sq. ft. home with this method in about 10 minutes, and it looks fantastic in 3d. Not to mention it looks perfect in plan view as well- unless you are trying to graphically represent the recessed moldings in plan view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: the base material I created has a 1/16" leg up -see picture EDIT: it doesnt look like it in the picture but it does have a 1/16" leg I see that, but if you want a 1/2” or so reveal all the way up door case isn’t the wmr only going to cut 1/16”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskogg Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Renerabbitt said: I usually can do a whole 2000 sq. ft. home with this method in about 10 minutes, and it looks fantastic in 3d I can imagine.. I really like this look.. I have a modern home addition Reno to do and was wanting to show client what it could look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, dskogg said: I see that, but if you want a 1/2” or so reveal all the way up door case isn’t the wmr only going to cut 1/16”? no it cuts the wall material completely and places a 1/16" material to your main layer directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, dskogg said: I see that, but if you want a 1/2” or so reveal all the way up door case isn’t the wmr only going to cut 1/16”? WMR's Cut to the main layer if the Cut to parent object is set, it can even be 0" thick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, dskogg said: I can imagine.. I really like this look.. I have a modern home addition Reno to do and was wanting to show client what it could look like. Hopefully they aren't on a budget then , it is a time consuming option , and all trades need to be "fussy" to pull it off well with exact 1/2 reveals everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Hopefully they aren't on a budget then , it is a time consuming option , and all trades need to be "fussy" to pull it off well with exact 1/2 reveals everywhere. yes budget, and yes time consuming- We got it done pretty quick once. We installed windows and doors, then made a flooring template(piece of laminate with the foam underlayment staple to the bottom) placing our baseboard with a reveal channel ... on top of our floor template loosely, then nailing the base in which locked the channel in. Then spray the reveal and base and do the drywall last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I also designed this kitchen with inset granite: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said: I also designed this kitchen with inset granite: I'm thinking your Drywaller hates you especially with that chrome strip it looks like .... Interesting Idea though... M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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