Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I'm trying to send two different CAD details to the same layout page. I want detail 1 to have 1/16" dimension default. I want detail 2 to have 1" dimension default. I cannot accomplish this, as whatever dimension default I choose in any window changes the default for all windows. I thought the answer way layer sets. I created one layer set with 1/16" dimensions and sent to layout. I created another layerset with 1" dimensions and sent that to layout. It changed the 1/16" set to 1", even though the two CAD details were on different layer sets. What am I doing wrong? The foundation sub will think I'm insane if the foundation plan has 1/16" dimensions. I should mention that I'm changing the dimension defaults by clicking on the dimension icon in the toolbar and editing "primary format". Maybe there is another way to change dimension defaults that is view specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Dimension Defaults are per Plan/Annoset. If you use separate Plans for Details at different Scales you can have different dimensional accuracy. The other option would be to use a Secondary Format but then you would just have 2 dimension values. But of course the real answer is Annosets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Joe_Carrick said: Dimension Defaults are per Plan. If you use separate Plans for Details at different Scales you can have different dimensional accuracy. The other option would be to use a Secondary Format but then you would just have 2 dimension values. Thanks Joe! That's what I was afraid of :-(. I don't know why dimension defaults can't be layer-set specific- seems useful to me. Creating another plan just for different dimension defaults, and keeping it in sync, seems nightmarish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 David, Use 2 different Annosets with 2 different Dimension Defaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Joe_Carrick said: David, Use 2 different Annosets with 2 different Dimension Defaults. So I guess this means I have to learn how to use annosets, which I've been avoiding. Are you saying that within the same plan, I can create distinct annosets that have different dimension defaults, and these different defaults will appear intact on the layout? Because I just created two different plans, and sent details to the layout from the different plans (with different defaults), and even that didn't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Each Layout Box has the "Layer Set" and "Active Defaults" when the view was sent to Layout. You must have something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 BTW, Annosets are extremely powerful. It will be worth your while to learn to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 I'm trying now still now working. I created an annoset called 1/16", and set the dim default to 1/16. I sent that view to layout with a box that was measured in 1/16" increments. I created another annoset called 1", and changed the dim default, etc and sent that to layout. It still changes the other view, does not show the 1/16" fraction on the first detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 maybe I'm changing the dimension default in the wrong place, Where do you modify the dimension default in an annoset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 oh, I just found it, let me try changing it in the annoset edit box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 David, When you open the different details, remember to select the correct Annoset before sending to Layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 this is where I'm changing the annoset dimension defaults. I still can't get it to work where I have two different annosets with different dimension defaults!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 David, What does your 1" Dimension Default and 1" Annoset look like? What does each detail look like before sending to Layout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Joe, would it be possible to do a 2 minute phone call? My problem is that when I edit one annotation set, it changes the default for the other annotation set. My number is 781 259 1221 if you have a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Technically, you don't need to use annotation sets to get what you want. Annotation sets are a very powerful tool but I always suggest that people think of them as a quick way of changing your current defaults. The important thing is to understand how your dimension defaults work. All you really need is to have two different dimension defaults. You can setup the dimension defaults in either your Defaults Settings or Active Defaults dialog. Once you have the two dimension defaults that you need, you then need to make sure they are being used in your CAD details. If you want to draw a dimension using a particular dimension default, just make sure that it is active in the Active Defaults dialog before drawing any new dimensions. If you want to change an already drawn dimension to use a different default, just open the Dimension Specification dialog and change the dimension default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Make sure that you check each (any) anno set you create and make sure that dimensions, Rich Text, text, etc. are being applied to the correct layer for your anno set. Open the Annotation Sets dbx; for Dimensions (1/16" or 1" anno sets ... any of them), click on the pencil to the right of the dbx for Dimensions; this opens the dimensions defaults dbx; next, click on Layer and check the Layer displayed (top center) of the dbx .... is that the correct layer that you want to/need to use .... if not, that probably explains what is causing your grief. Make sure to double check all your arrow and text heights while you are setting everything up. It takes a little time to set up all your anno sets and "match" them with the corresponding layer sets that will be used. You might need to immerse yourself for a few hours into learning all you can from the manual, tutorials, help articles, Scots videos on anno sets, Terry Munson's article on anno sets ... anything else you can get your hands on until you have a good grasp on the subject (been there/done that ... probably could use a refresher myself). From what I remember, Chief's video gives you the basics that you should be able to understand. If you are still having trouble, give me a call and I will see if I can help you figure out what you are doing wrong. I don't claim to be the best expert in the subject but I get by OK. Once you get them set up, make sure you follow Joe's advice and make sure you switch to/use the proper anno set before sending views to LO. If you don't have Annotation Sets icon on your tool bar, go to tools/toolbars & hot keys/customize and find that icon and drag in onto your tool bar. I put mine just to the right of the Active Annotation Set Control window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 David: This short video by Scott Harris backs up what Dermot was saying. If you haven't watched it, it will be worth your time to do so. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/600/using-layer-sets-to-control-dimension-size-text-size-color.html?playlist=100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 48 minutes ago, Dermot said: Technically, you don't need to use annotation sets to get what you want. Annotation sets are a very powerful tool but I always suggest that people think of them as a quick way of changing your current defaults. The important thing is to understand how your dimension defaults work. All you really need is to have two different dimension defaults. You can setup the dimension defaults in either your Defaults Settings or Active Defaults dialog. Once you have the two dimension defaults that you need, you then need to make sure they are being used in your CAD details. If you want to draw a dimension using a particular dimension default, just make sure that it is active in the Active Defaults dialog before drawing any new dimensions. If you want to change an already drawn dimension to use a different default, just open the Dimension Specification dialog and change the dimension default. That worked!! Yay, thanks Dermot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, CJSpud said: David: This short video by Scott Harris backs up what Dermot was saying. If you haven't watched it, it will be worth your time to do so. https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/600/using-layer-sets-to-control-dimension-size-text-size-color.html?playlist=100 Thanks Curt, that video is really helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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