MarkMc

Well you can add polylines around each grass area, set to include in a custom schedule and get a total.

BUT that is a lot of work.

I've more often had to include impermeable area which is already (hopefully) made up of polyline objects.

Make a schedule for all the impermeable.

Then separately subtract that total from the lot total.

I'm using AB Viewer link

1 hour ago, JCinNC said:

I did this and converted all of the bar pulls to symbols (interior fixture)

NO need to do that. Adam was dealing with GRAB BARS. Cabinet hardware shows up in either the cabinet schedule or a custom schedule IF you select that in the schedule.

Cabinet- Walls for sides, set height and depth, not top; sides and back none. Adjust shelves.

If you need could shelf in angled section can use solid for a shelf (ez) or custom shelf symbol. Split wall at back if color needs to match.

Another approach is to make the metal frame as a symbol, perhaps from solids as Gene suggests, mess with the origins and lock the size. Then insert it into the bottom center drawer. That allows easier changes to the cabinet which likely also require  adjusting the frame symbol. 

I know that @Kbird1 has a system he uses and think he's happy with.

I don't use it. Instead I use Legal Billing from ChaosSoftware for over a decade. It does not start or stop automatically (there may be a way above my pay grade to make that a happen?)

I find that an advantage, easier than the built in tracker for me anyway.

 If I end up on a phone call or other distraction but left it running, I can adjust it easily. OR if I forgot to start it I can check the time code for when I started on the file in explorer and adjust. You can even adjust if you forget an entire day

It can connect to any of their PIM apps. I use Intellect which includes email but it can also connect to Time & Chaos (last I knew even the free version of that.) You set up a Group in the contact section and tell it to connect to that. The names kept there will appear in a drop down for clients.  

While OOB it is set to do billing for lawyers I changed the Activities.text to suit so I can keep track of specific tasks if I feel like it.

It exports to Excel after which I copy and paste into an invoice template. All in all pretty simple to use and not bad to get up and running. Free to try.

I've found tech support to be very good. Support is by web look up or email. I've always gotten answers for email same day. I also use their cloud service ChaosHost but primarily to sync contacts  and calendar to my phone. When I was more active I did sync LB too but rarely needed that.

Yes doing as a single cabinet is a bear but possible. IF I really needed this I would more likely do the bottom frame as one part and the top as another since that would be how I was ordering it. And you can put two sinks in if you float them.

Plan with parts attached.

This may or may not need sinks made from the same material as the counter. When needed I do that as a separate symbol made from solids.

Vanity on frame.zip

There are built in fillers in the cabinet drop down so easy to make a keyboard shortcut for them. 

Note they will auto adjust to the available width if it's is 3" or less.

3 hours ago, JKEdmo said:

I decided not to add to library

The object you used to make the symbol should still be in a plan in an archive (if you have that)

3 hours ago, Breeze_Design said:

it determined this will be quite labor intensive in CA

too much work? a one off? not getting paid for them?

 Made slight changes using parts in the objects in the linked plan file. The most work is if you MUST have exposed channels on the sides will need multiple door symbols for the sides.

2 hours ago, JKEdmo said:

Pretty sure when I built the symbol I did not add to my library and just kept it part of my PLAN file.

Since you had to change it into a symbol to use it in the railing it would automatically end up in your library. If you can't find it then...

If what you used to build it was in the actual plan file AND it is not in the current plan file (because you deleted it after making it a symbol) AND if you have Preference, File Management, Auto Archive set to hourly 

you can sort through early versions in the archive to find a file with the original. I also move archives, when the DBX asks if I want to manage them as they reached a limit, to a sub folder within the project folder and save those for at least a year.

In the future you might want to do what I do: when making a new symbol of any kind start a new plan, save plan with a relevant name, (in a folder dedicated to symbols from the version you are using) 

 make object, give it name BEFORE clicking OK in the symbol DBX.

Advantage is if it gets lost you have a backup but more importantly it can be easier to adjust into something different. 

For that just a molding line. I started with a pline box so you can change radius there before converting also easier to make a top to go with it if you need one.

21 hours ago, Breeze_Design said:

a catalog in X15 for GOLA style cabinets/

1 hour ago, Chrisb222 said:

Huh? 

Check link in Joe's post at bottom of the linked page

Faster to do than to describe. Here's a rough start.

Add retracted doors either as custom symbol for shelf or insert into back. Replace the rollouts with custom symbols. Replace the counter with a custom symbol so you can change the material. If needing to show both open and closed place another cabinet in the same location on a separate layer and toggle between them.

pantry.zip

22 hours ago, GlennShaw said:

layer I turn off or on.

By now I think you get that is not available. My last shot at this. Screen shots and plan attached for clarity. The only downside is that after changing the layer set  You need to click on the schedule to get the macro to refresh. Someone may know another way to force it to refresh.

Gas schedule.zip

29 minutes ago, PhillipsPlans23 said:

There is no way to make the font smaller.

Not using the automatic label AFAIK. You can however set up Rich Text boxes saved to your library so you can just drag and drop. Sample attached.

Room RT sample.calibz

25 minutes ago, PhillipsPlans23 said:

I don't need is someone being condescending and just assuming

That you did not bother to follow the link to the ANSWER that Eric posted? Works for what it sounds like you want.

3 hours ago, Renerabbitt said:

The OP was talking about a text box and kindve implying a plumbing line diagram or something of the sort such as a CAD block

I get that. Turning off a layer of an object that is in a block does not turn it off.

I just was looking at the options- my favorite is pretty much what Joe suggested- adding a separate text box on the same layer as the object.

If the choice is "I can be right" (program should do this so complain) or "I can get what I want" (work around) I'll get what I want...somehow.

14 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

it would need to be something that reports to schedule.

I don't know of a symbol type that can't report to a schedule. Here is a solid converted to a geometric shape with schedule.

Search then draw to match. turning diagram

Had a quick play with one of Joe's macros. It takes some time to update the macro and I think the macro folks have a trick for that??

Screen shots of a schedule (I left border on) that changes with changed layer sets.

I'd have a talk with @Joe_Carrick who's written some macros based on layer sets to alter labels. There are a few other people around that do custom macros.

Would need something that set "include_in_schedule" to false for the object based on the layer set (I don't know how to do off hand, I tried but limited ability here.)

Then use a custom schedule to make the list, only including labels and no borders for your list. 

Instead of turning off a layer the client needs to change the layer set to one with that layer off. (better practice IMO)

A second simpler method would be to add the text for option as a separate text box at the end of your list and set it on the same layer as the object. Turn off the object the text goes away. Not elegant but...

There are fewer cabinet folks on this forum than once were. There may be more over at Facebook where I don't go.

The short answer:

2020 is for you IF you are interested in high turnover/volume, low to mid range cabinet brands, don’t deal with much remodel of the space, consider a box store your competitor, don’t really want to invest much time in learning or setting up.

Chief is for you IF you handle upper middle to better brands (many don’t have 2020 catalogs), want to provide complete, better drawings (to get more referrals from allied pros), willing to invest time learning and setting up, want to outshine the competition, deal with the space/construction regularly, ever push the limit.

I used 2020 from version 5.1 to 9.1; exclusively for 9 yrs though supplemented it CAD, PDF, Envisioneer, hand drafting and spreadsheet to fix the dismal pricing. Once I got Chief is still used 2020 in a limited fashion to get item lists for a few years occasionally. My opinion is a bit harsh (and I drank CAs kool-aid:) 

I can't speak to the current version of 2020 though I did keep track of it until a few years ago. Back when I dropped it: support was dismal, stability bad, cabinet pricing unreliably inaccurate, responsiveness to user requested improvements was almost non existent. AFAIK all this was the same as little as 5 yrs ago based on friends forced to use it.

All of those are far superior with Chief, with the exception of pricing.

What CA does NOT have.

•  In CA the Mfg do do NOT have any cabinets in them which also means they will not OOB match Mfg nomenclature. You set up in cabinets in your user library and/or make Style Palettes for them.
•  Setting up nomenclature often needs to be specific to a Mfg and can get complicated if you want to automate it but there are ways.
•  CA does not do any pricing. For me this has been a non issue. For years I was already exporting item lists from 2020 to spreadsheet template order forms I made. In Chief I use cabinet schedules to copy and "paste special" into a spreadsheet to do the same thing. In each case I was looking up pricing in a PDF price list. The only difference is that with Chief I had to enter it all (copy/paste). For some brands it eventually became possible to use the spreadsheet to copy line items into an online ordering system quickly as long as the nomenclature is set up properly.
• There is an advantage to this system though. You become more familiar with costs and then are better able to adjust a job to meet a budget. You can also more quickly compare total cost of variations once you figure out a system to do that with a couple of clicks.

Things that CA has

•   A robust ability to import symbols, textures, create tile, use any countertop material you can find an image for, any appliance you can find a 3D file of.
•   Adjust textures, create door styles. I have not found anything I could not draw in Chief that can’t be built.
•   There are ways to check clearances of hood inserts into custom hood enclosures. Check clearnaces to part of a building, make sure you ductwork can actually be vented. Check clearance for drain pipes when changing locations of fixutres.
•   Far superior drawings and dimensioning abilities. Benefit below.

NOTE- the national average closing rate for GCS (Glorified Cabinet Salesman/aka KD) is 33%. I had a closing rate over 80%. This was thanks to cultivating a stable of allied professionals for referrals where the closing rate ranked in the 90s. Supplying better drawings than the other 30 sources for cabinets within ½ hr drive of me had the best ones come back over and over.

A personal note: I was laid off by a Wood Mode Cabinet dealer at the end of 09 during a recession. Got a 2020 license to freelance then coupled it with Envisioneer. Then I picked up an upper middle cabinet line. A year later I got CA. At a time when the many local dealers were opting to sell Chinese cabinets or knock downs I became a QCCI dealer. I immediately ended up with a whole house reno job from a designer I'd worked with; 6 rooms of highly detailed cabinets and two closets all done in CA. CA became a major factor in getting my dealership running and going. A decade later I was drafting jobs for a hi-end cabinet company involving 15 to 30 rooms of cabinets; none of which could have been done with 2020.

Many thanks to the folks in Coeur d'Alene.

46 minutes ago, TeaTime said:

some would argue that that's no proper cabinet

But you can add a top and a back. 

47 minutes ago, TeaTime said:

Maybe some day we'll get fully editable cabinet boxes

Maybe but not really high on my list. In 20 years, I've needed maybe a half dozen of these and another batch of arch top. Many could have been done with solids, several were re-used (when I remember when and for who they were done. :)

9 minutes ago, TeaTime said:

cannot be shaped in the manner depicted

No it's the a long way of saying it's difficult.

Here without finished back is a cabinet