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No, you guys have it right. Do not change.

Graehme, one layer is CAMERA SECTIONS and one layer is CAMERAS SECTION NIP (not in plan). It has nothing to do with if the camera is open or not. It is like a blob of mercury, I can not narrow down the cause.... it keeps eluding me like all the women that eluded me for the first 35 years of my miserable life.

I know, don't you hate it when us nit wits don't post the plan, sorry Joe, my bad, bbb cameras jumping 1.plan.zip

Here is the proof, Let's combine screen shots so you can see them side by side. Keep in mind, I made a change..... moving a couple of cameras to a different layer, they show up on different layer and they show up green, but if I close and reopen plan.... some of the cameras reverted back to their original layer, the blue layer. Here is the proof, note that the green cameras should of stayed green........

Okay, here is the proof. I just closed plan file and layout file, reopened them, and now take a look at where the cameras are. Seriously, there is a camera that is behaving and then there are a couple that are not behaving.

This is not the only time things did not stick. It seems like a year or two folks were complaining about this and I sort of ignored them. But now it is happening to me and I am seriously concerned.

Take a look at the picture. Note the blue cameras and the green camera. I swear, 3 hours ago I put those green cameras on that layer. Well, I just got finished doing it again. again I had to put the cameras on green layer. What I am saying is it appears that sometimes things don't stay where I put them. I did put those camera on the layer that makes them green, a few hours later I find myself having to do it again. I will see if it sticks this time. I will post again if I find those cameras did not stick to the layer I assigned them too.

There is no bug. Mick was not clear. If the default says to show the lower wall, you will never see the framing of the upper wall of the pony wall. Try this, do not check the default, instead try selecting DISPLAY LOWER WALL, if that does not work, try selecting DISPLAY UPPER WALL. And then maybe you should build framing and then you will see the framing on top of cmu wall.

lol.....

You might have some good reasons for staying out of layout and staying in plan. I follow 1 & 2, not sure if I get 3. I would recommend the plan method for everybody but P. Somehow I think he has it worked out pretty good.

I am kind of wondering if Joe has ever looked in a mirror. Quite frankly, I am looking at mirrors less and less each day.

So are you saying you do not have same options with INTERIOR FIXTURES?

Me too, I think P. does a lot of stuff in layout, I like all the stuff in plan file. Different strokes.... not sure of advantages or disadvantages of either method.

Oh, interesting, I get it, based on what kind of symbol it is, it follows the terrain, great idea.... hmmmm ...... like a fence........ what is dependent on the terrain? Outside stairs, a fence, sidewalks and driveways..... anything else.... nice thinking Jon..... hey CA.... please slip the Jon S. suggestion into X8, thank you.

Good question, I think exterior fixtures should work well. How about interior fixtures, that would work, How about Millwork, that would work. Electrical makes no sense. Give me a second... I am musing...... I suppose if there was a difference between exterior and interior fixtures....... I think I would determine if I wanted a label to show, and if I wanted that label showing...... follow me here.... maybe you want to show EXTERIOR FIXTURE LABELS and you don't want to show INTERIOR FIXTURE LABELS...... maybe that decision will have a bearing on what you spec the symbol as....... either interior or exterior fixture.....

I agree, It's a no brainer Moakster, how can we start designing if we do not have a good as built.

You are correct, the finish builds to the casing and ignores the R.O. I think this makes sense, what does not make sense is that the FINISH DOES NOT GO BEHIND THE CASING, but really not a big deal, I had not noticed this the first 10 years I have used the program so I suppose no problem...... yep, back to work. Now stop bothering me Jona-Thank.

As I think about it, why would I ever have the casing layers for doors and windows turned off? Casings should always be turned on, no problem, ..... so what is going on? I guess CA builds wall FINISH to the outside edge of casing..... IOW, the drywall does not truly build behind casing? Not a big deal I guess.... just an observation.

I will back up.... boy this is confusing..... if casing layer is turned off in 3d........ and if the door or window has a casing, I get the gap, but if the door or window has no casing, I get no gap..... I am not sure if this makes sense..... think about it..... I am thinking about it and I am not sure if it makes sense....

I see this all the time, it says the terrain is up to date, but it is not, because when I say rebuild, it does update the terrain.

Only when you wear your Ian Poulter hat.

Jeez Louise, looking at your Avatar, you must be related to Joe Carrick.

Yep, I get this Johnny. I do design in CA, but it is not the best method.... I do not understand SU and VW when it comes to designing, but I bet they are better tools than CA when it comes to designing. Pen and paper is better for designing than CA, and I can only assume that SU and VW are much better tools than CA for designing .

Nuts...... CA is very flexible when it comes to changing things after defaults are set... and I should know because I don't set defaults until the project is done...... if I do set defaults. I do know of one item that is not easy to change later on in the model building phase. So Rashid, you made a statement, do you want to back it up with examples of what defaults cannot be changed later on in the modeling process. It is very easy to make a statement, so if you are to make a statement, please be prepared to back it up with examples.

I am glad you called me on this. I would make it an INVISIBLE SHOWER WALL, by using a shower wall you can make it 1/16" thick, now make sure you put it on its own layer, change line weights and line styles via layer depending on how you want to show it in plan.... whether for a site plan or a floor plan or a framing plan etc. So, invisible wall, 1/16" thick, on it's own layer, does not matter if it is a railing or a wall, define the room it defines as a deck if you want decking. What I just described is a "work around", but it works for me because I know most of the ins and outs of CA which gives me a lot of flexibility to display in a manner that you are now seeking.