Joe_Carrick

I agree, moving the Hood was just so I could see the Cooktop in Plan View.

Ahhh...... The problem was that the cabinet was only 36" wide and the Cooktop was also 36" wide. By creating a long custom counter top the cooktop inserts into the wider counter just fine. You probably want to make the cabinet wider by a couple of inches if you can.

Todd, I'm not sure exactly what's going on but try this: 1. Move the hood out of the way 2. Create a custom counter top 3. Place the Cooktop 4. Move the hood back That seems to solve the problem

That's correct. Insert into Countertop cuts a rectangular hole the same size as the Symbol. So if your symbol isn't a perfect rectangle, you need the Counter Top to be a part of the Symbol.

BTW Todd, This Symbol has almost 20,000 faces. That makes it what we commonly call a "PolyHog" and if you get too many of faces in a model it can slow down Pan & Zoom and maybe Ray Tracing as well. A few of these isn't too bad but just be careful.

OK Todd, I added a Custom Counter Top to your Symbol (a full rectangle with a hole in it so the lower part of Cooktop around the burners would be recessed. Then I created a new symbol from it. You will note in the pic that the Counter Top of the new symbol is just a light beige. When you put it in a Cabinet you need to paint or edit that to match your Counter. CooktopGas-Todd's.calibz

Another option would be to ignore "inserting into counter top" and just deal with the z-origin. Just set it down far enough that it still sits high enough to obscure the counter top. BTW, usually a symbol that is designed to insert into a counter top should have a rectangular solid just slightly larger than the object to act as an "Inserted Counter" and it should have a material designation of "Counter Top" so you can adjust the material.

Todd, Can you export your Symbol and post that file (calibz)? I will take a look and see what I can do with it.

Todd, Adjust the z-origin value in the 3D Tab of the Symbol dbx to move it up or down. There is also a set of values for sizing that should adjust the hole size.

Also, after it's in the Library, Right_Click and open the Symbol dbx. You to change the settings.for the behavior there.

Open the Defaults for Doors in your Plan. See what the setting is there. It's possible that it's not right. I don't know of any thing else that could cause this problem.

Phyllis, I think the program you remember was PCAD. They were based in (or near) San Jose. It did run on the Apple (Macintosh I think, but maybe the Apple II+). I was working as the Architectural Product Manager for CalComp at the time and we almost bought that Company. My recollection was that it was strictly 2D but we were interested because of the Apple context.

Alan, Group select all your actual Plants and uncheck "Include in Schedule". The "Notes Plants" you put on a Layer of their own so you can turn them on/off for display purposes.

Perry, I've been thinking about the "Framing, Electrical, etc" notes concept. It's fairly simple from the standpoint of the notes displayed on any given Layer Set (just have the "Note" on a unique layer for that use) but the Plan Schedule itself can only be limited on a per floor basis. The Fixture Schedule OTOH has more flexibility in that regard but is probably limited in terms of Layer being saved in the Library. If you use multiple Plant Schedules (per floor) but use a prefix such as A1-, A2-,A3-, etc for Architectural Notes, F1-, F2-,F3-, etc for Framing Notes, E1-, E2-,E3-, etc for Electrical Notes then you could send the same Schedule to the Sheets for the various dwgs and simply crop them as needed to limit whats displayed. It would mean providing a Border and Header for each Layout Box, but at least the notes would be arranged the way you want them. Can you follow this - it's a bit complicated to explain. Naturally, the various notes would need to be on the appropriate unique Layers so they would only be displayed in the Layerset that matches. The Ultimate Solution would be to have Callouts with Schedules that can be filtered by Layer or?????

So if you set the Callout Label Prefix to the Floor Number you will have 101,102,103,104... on the First Floor: 201,201,203,204,,,, on the Second Floor.

Perry, Have you tried using separate Schedules for each Floor? You would need to uncheck "Include Objects from All Floors" in the Schedule dbx. Another option would be to use a 1,2,3,4,etc as a prefix along with the Separate Floor Schedules. That would make the numbers different on each Floor. You might be able to do different Plans (Framing. Electrical, Plumbing, etc) by using a Note that's on a Layer unique to each discipline, but I'm not 100% sure of that. It would work fairly easily if the Schedule allowed inclusion of only specific Layers or Label Prefixes. IOW, something like Doors where you can include only "Hinged", "Sliding", "Pocket", etc. Unfortunately the Plant Schedule doesn't have any such inclusion/exclusion capabilities.

Is anyone in Idaho (headquarters) looking at this thread? It would be nice to know what CA thinks about this.

Yes, that would be nice. Just a simple "Add Arrow" in the "Label Options" would be handy.

OK, so I reset my hotkeys for those two commands to F2 and F3 respectfully. That gives me just 2 strokes to get into Copy/Paste_StickyMode. I contemplated using ALT+C & S but I think the 2 Function Keys work better for me.

I understand. I just wish there was either a toggle or a default so that when I select an object and the copy tool - I wouldn't have to select the "Sticky Mode Button". IOW, "Sticky Mode" would be persistent from one object to the next.

As long as I've been using Chief, I somehow never got around to learning about the "Sticky Mode" for copying an object. ie: Select an Object, Select Copy, Select the "Sticky Mode" button. This allows you to place the same object many times using the mouse. The Library Objects work this way by default but for Objects selected from the Plan the default is single mode. It would be nice if there was a toggle for "Sticky Mode Copying".

OK, after a bit of experimentation I've found a solution that's even simpler and solves the Layer Problem. 1. Use a 2D Plant and a Plant Schedule 2. The Plant Schedule uses just the Number and Label Columns 3. The Plant can be placed on any Layer such as Notes and can have any 2D CAD Block assigned as the Plan Display 4. Just Edit the Plant Label to whatever you want the note to be. Now any note can be added to the Library and it will come back at the correct Layer. There's no need to use the Component dbx, just the Symbol dbx and edit the Label to create a new Note. For notes I add to the Library I find it useful to copy the Label Text and Paste it as the name of the Library Item. That way it's easier to see what the note is when selecting from the Library. But the names can get long if you do that. Another nice thing about this solution is that you can simply copy & paste notes within the Library, rename them and edit the Label. It's a real easy way to create a complete set of notes - and it's fairly easy to organize them in the Library into Sub Folders.

OK Cheryl, Just make the dividers with solids and Save the Cabinet to the Library. You now have a Library Cabinet that you can use whenever you need it.

Perry, I'm having the same problem. It seems Chief just want to insist that a Furniture Symbol must be on the Furniture Layer. You can change it after it's placed in the Plan but you can't seem to save it with the new Layer to the Library. That's why I'd really like CA to give us "Note Objects" with "Note Layers" as indicated in Post #18

That wouldn't bother me a bit. A. Macros that work in Elevation & Section B. Plan Note Objects with Schedules (Plan Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) C. Elevation Note Objects with Schedules (Elevation Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) D. Section Note Objects with Schedules (Elevation Note Layer for both the Object and the Label) Any time CA want's to take one of my ideas and make it a part of Chief - it's OK with me. For now, this works