ValleyGuy

I try and stay away from all the size confusion issues with scaling. This inch size : foot on this or that layout using this or that text size.... I just made two different sized CAD hex shape groups (blocked together with numbers) saved to the library. One set for the elevation at about 2.75", and one set at 15" to match my chosen schedule symbol size. No matter what scale I send the elevation out to the layout, the symbol is always the same size in comparison to the cabinets. The schedule is kept on it's own CAD sheet and no matter what scale I need to make it fit onto the layout, they always stay in sync. I have a saved Kitchen Notes schedule in my plan template that is set up with the proper sized note symbol default, so I just drop a note on the CAD sheet and use the library saved symbols.

Here are a few things to try; - check to see if your roof plane is out past the edge of the wall, attic walls won't generate if there isn't an attic - make sure in defaults -> wall -> general that auto rebuild attic wall is toggled on. - check to see if your window wall is toggled on as a gable wall - it looks like your 2nd floor attic wall is generated and visible, maybe check to see in plan view if there is a small attic wall already made, it just may be on a layer that is not visible in this 3D view layer set (check the actual wall specification layers in the display column to see what layer the siding is actually on) - If there is a wall, check to see that it is not toggled as invisible, or has an exterior layer that is 'no material' If these don't solve your problem, probably posting your plan will yield a solution.

I ran into this problem before, same result of not filling in between the floor and the ceiling, but because of a different issue. You must use a wall that has layers, it is the wall's layers that becomes the fill-in material. I used a wall divider, that had no material layers, to define the loft with a separate rail (no room, no locate) inboard a little.

Thanks DB, this will get me to where I want it to be. Thanks for the tip on Transparent, I hadn't learned that yet.

There doesn't seem to be a 'Label' data box under roofs in the defaults. Is there a way to set a macro or is the 'automatic' label default hard coded and the only way to change the roof label is by opening up each new roof?

That's what I do, break the wall and reverse if more than one door resides on a single wall and they swing from opposite sides, keeping the edit handle always on the side pushing the door away from my little imaginary footprints. This then lines up my schedule with how I used to sell doors, RH or LH hinged interior doors. In my part of the world, door manufacturers sell interior doors by the hinged side pushing the door away from you if you were standing inside the jamb.

I'm guessing that regardless of which direction one would draw a wall, CA has decided to give a 'face' to one side. My theory is that the edit handle side is this 'face'. I just use that old saying ...' most everything we need to know, we learned by the age of 5...' "get behind the line" kinda stuck with me. If you pretend to be standing behind the edit handle, anything going away from you will be positive, and anything coming back toward you will be negative. It helps me remember the label, single sided hardware (dummy handles), and proper showing / swing designation in door schedules. So far old Mrs. Brown from pre-school hasn't let me down.

Hey Jim I understand, sounds like over riding the label with text is your easiest way lol.

I'm not sure how tight your ridge and heel tolerances, but wouldn't it be easiest to lock the base or soffit height and change the pitch to the 1/4"? This ridge looks like it might only climb or fall by 3/4".

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, .... turkey, pumpkin pie and a good afternoon nap never get old eh? You are correct about the numbers, I made a boo boo on the interior wall designations and had them reversed. That's how easy it is to mess this up - a better system with a lot fewer manual entries would be much more superior and safer if any revisions had to be made. I put some numbers on a text graph to show the calculations for the wall sides, and they seem very close. I had to add in the wall area of the bath/closet wall (W05) butting into W06/W08 and W01/W13 walls (4.5"w X 118 1/8"h = 3.69 sqft). I'm not exactly sure what the program uses for the windows and doors, I just used the numbers from the window/door schedule. I would think that it is definitely within my acceptable level of accuracy for doing any take-offs. I did notice something else as well, the CA help files may need a little amendment too. The ID categories didn't actually follow the order as per their list...

I don't know how to put any material list info into a nice neat schedule, but this is the best that I can come up with.... It would be great if Chief could come up with a better / easier system to provide the wall information into the schedules.

Yes, I currently take an elevation of each wall and use see-though coloured CAD boxes with area macros for exterior walls an openings. I found it easier to provide the sizes and let whoever do the math that's required (siding take off, limiting distances, percentages,...) fewer shots taken at the messenger. Everything on the material list is dynamic driven by the component, no formula manipulation on my part. I'm not sure if this will further your cause, but with a little effort, one is able to accomplish what @AdrienS_FX was after in the OP above - use the material list to show the actual painted surface area of each wall. It is fully dynamic in X16 and seems to be fairly accurate. I didn't do any calculations to any fractions of the inch by taking the walls and ceiling layers out. It's late and I have to get some sleep for the big Thanksgiving turkey dinner tomorrow.

I'm looking for a way to easily schedule wall surface area with and with out openings too - more for exterior purposes (fire code, energy code,...). I'm sure that it's possible with macros, I'm just not experienced enough with macros. I haven't found an alternative yet. As for the second column results, in a nutshell: make a wall with a layer (inside or outside of framing) that you want the sqft of, then make sure that it is included in the components area with the appropriate count macro selected. I can't remember, but you may need to check that your material from the library has the proper material calculations, OPEN OBJECT -> MATERIALS LIST -> Specifications (area, Lft, etc). I went a little overboard being specific with stuff - my list broke down things easily for ordering. If you only wanted the exterior studs for the second floor, the second coat of ceiling paint on the first floor, or green board for the basement laundry room only, it was all separated. I actually aborted this materials list as an added value mission. It is way too much effort and really under appreciated. Hopefully some good will come out of the effort and a solution to scheduling wall area will be made. Let me know if you find a way.

I put in quite a bit of work to make a materials list like this happen in CA. I believe what you are looking for is somewhat possible. As far as it being dynamic with different window sizes, I left an example for you to draw your own conclusions from. NOTE: this is from a house in progress and I have not vetted this list for errors / omissions yet. One that stands out: House wrap should be in the siding category, so there is some materials in a specific wall(s) that aren't correctly assigned yet. I am not exactly sure what your end goal is after receiving the exact painted surface quantity; surface area amount to invoice the customer, qty of paint to order, time to apply...?? If it is amount of paint to apply, I agree with @mtldesigns. Exact sqft numbers never seem to be exact qty of paint with all the different variables in play. Even the amount of sqft coverage/gal is a guess from coat to coat. If it is to save money by ordering less paint, sometimes it is less cost to order a 5gal pail than 4x 1gal cans ( 5 gal may be cheaper than 4 gal). Anyhow, have a look if this is of interest. If it is, I can give you the details how to go about achieving this. If you are looking for a quick way to subtract the window area from the wall area, CA X16 will let you put a column in a window schedule for area and you can total at the bottom.

Maybe a bathtub in a corner