Moving cabinet labels "to the front" or a different drawing group.

[JordanWeed]

Hello Chief Users!  I'm a kitchen designer making the plunge from 2020 to Chief.  Learning a lot, but I'm stuck on one issue.

 

My cabinet labels are being cut off by adjacent walls.  I'm on the Kitchen and Bath Plan View and made a bunch of various default edits.  My base cabinet label is being hidden by the wall cabinet above.  I've tried changing the layer of the cabinet label, but this does not fix it being hidden.  I've found out how to fix the entire object; I can change the its drawing group to be ahead -- but I want only the label itself to change drawing groups.  There is no option to change just the label to a different drawing group.

 

Any advice?  TYIA.  

 

 

[JKEdmo]

1 hour ago, JordanWeed said:

Hello Chief Users!  I'm a kitchen designer making the plunge from 2020 to Chief.  Learning a lot, but I'm stuck on one issue.

 

My cabinet labels are being cut off by adjacent walls.  I'm on the Kitchen and Bath Plan View and made a bunch of various default edits.  My base cabinet label is being hidden by the wall cabinet above.  I've tried changing the layer of the cabinet label, but this does not fix it being hidden.  I've found out how to fix the entire object; I can change the its drawing group to be ahead -- but I want only the label itself to change drawing groups.  There is no option to change just the label to a different drawing group.

 

Any advice?  TYIA.  

 

 

 

 

One option -- you can manually reposition the label.  Just grab its little handle (red dot) and place where it has no conflict:

 

 

 

[DBCooper]

You might want to submit a feature request for this. Chief always says that they don't look for feature requests on the Q&A forum so basically they won't amount to anything.  You can submit one by posting here:  https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/forum/8-suggestions/

 

For now, you can either move the cabinet (or wall) to a different drawing group or you can move the label position/angle.  You can move/rotate labels manually by grabbing the handle or you can move them in the cabinet dialog if you know the exact settings you want.  If you setup your cabinet defaults the way you want them, then you might have less manual moving things around later.  Label default settings are not "dynamic" like a lot of the other cabinet settings, so if you set them up before you place your cabinets, you won't have to change them all later.

 

 

[Alaskan_Son]

There's another option that can work quite well but that can be tedious to initially set up.  That is, use your Reference Display.  Here are the basic:

1. Decide which objects need their labels moved forward.
2. Create a new Layer Set that has only those objects and their labels turned on, and set the line style for all those objects to the Invisible line style.
3. Use the Reference Display settings for your current Plan View to add a new Reference Display to the TOP of the stack using that new Layer Set.  Set it to use the same floor you are already trying to display, and make sure both Details and XOR are toggled OFF.

This will place all your desired labels in the top drawing group without displaying any additional lines or fills for the related objects.  Here's a quick example where I have a header label obscured by joists above.  In this case, I couldn't relocate the label because I want to leave automatic framing turned on, and even if I could have, the direction of the joists above would still be obscuring it...

[JordanWeed]

On 8/6/2025 at 3:17 PM, Alaskan_Son said:

There's another option that can work quite well but that can be tedious to initially set up.  That is, use your Reference Display.  Here are the basic:

1. Decide which objects need their labels moved forward.
2. Create a new Layer Set that has only those objects and their labels turned on, and set the line style for all those objects to the Invisible line style.
3. Use the Reference Display settings for your current Plan View to add a new Reference Display to the TOP of the stack using that new Layer Set.  Set it to use the same floor you are already trying to display, and make sure both Details and XOR are toggled OFF.

This will place all your desired labels in the top drawing group without displaying any additional lines or fills for the related objects.  Here's a quick example where I have a header label obscured by joists above.  In this case, I couldn't relocate the label because I want to leave automatic framing turned on, and even if I could have, the direction of the joists above would still be obscuring it...

 

@Alaskan_SonI made a layer set TEST that only has Cabinet, Labels displayed w/ invisible line.  I inserted the TEST set above, label is still hidden by wall?  

 

 

 

 

 

[Alaskan_Son]

20 minutes ago, JordanWeed said:

@Alaskan_SonI made a layer set TEST that only has Cabinet, Labels displayed w/ invisible line.  I inserted the TEST set above, label is still hidden by wall?  

 

3 Things:

1. You need to have both the object layer and the label layer turned on in your new layer set.  Turning the object off also turns off the label.  The label you're currently seeing is probably the label from the layer set below.  While we're on that subject...
2.  I failed to mention this in my first post, but you should probably turn off the cabinet labels in the layer set below.
3. Uncheck XOR in your new referenced floor.