Schedule Renumbering Issue

[Chloe1Casey]

Sometimes I have a need for a schedule with 2 or more rooms but not all rooms in the plan. I fake this by creating the schedule for the first room with the title and column headings and then create the schedule for the 2nd room and strip off the title and column headings. I then move the second schedule right up to the bottom of the first schedule so that it looks like one schedule (see attached picture).

 

I then renumber the items in the second schedule to numbers greater than the first schedule. For example, in the enclosed picture, the bottom item in the appliance schedule - the outdoor refrigerator - would be renumbered from A01 to A08 and the two bottom items in the fixture schedule would be renumber from F01 and F02 to F15 and F16 respectively.

 

I was able to do this with my electrical schedule but not with the appliance and fixture schedules. When I select an electrical item, the icons for renumbering up and down appear at the bottom of the screen (and on the menu when left clicking). When I select an appliance or other fixture, the icon (ability) does not appear. Does anyone know why?

[MarkMc]

I checked, same here in X10 and still in X11. I never noticed since I renumber by dragging the row in the schedule with a plan view open on the side-faster that way.

[Chloe1Casey]

14 minutes ago, MarkMc said:

I checked, same here in X10 and still in X11. I never noticed since I renumber by dragging the row in the schedule with a plan view open on the side-faster that way.

Yes, I downloaded X11 to see if the problem went away, but unfortunately it did not. Unfortunately dragging doesn't work since they are two separate schedules and I am trying to make the schedule number greater than the number of items in the schedule.  :-(

[DRAWZILLA]

47 minutes ago, Chloe1Casey said:

Sometimes I have a need for a schedule with 2 or more rooms but not all rooms in the plan. I fake this by creating the schedule for the first room with the title and column headings and then create the schedule for the 2nd room and strip off the title and column headings. I then move the second schedule right up to the

Can't you use the include or not include each room in the schedule DBX.for each room, I do it for room additions b/c I don't want the existing house in the schedule.

 

[Chloe1Casey]

26 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said:

Can't you use the include or not include each room in the schedule DBX.for each room, I do it for room additions b/c I don't want the existing house in the schedule.

 

Unfortunately, I have two totally separate remodels (kitchen/outdoor kitchen and master bath) and a separate furniture design (entire house) which all have different plansets for very specific reasons. I really don't want to try to keep track of 3 separate, different plans for the same house. The kitchen and master bath both have fixtures which are on different layers but as far as the schedules go, it sees them as the same. I therefore can't just choose "all" for the schedule and I can't choose "do not include" in the DBX for the room because it won't then show on its corresponding planset (layout).  Does that make sense?

[MarkMc]

1 hour ago, DRAWZILLA said:

Can't you use the include or not include each room in the schedule

That works by room, only one at a time. What the OP wants is the numbers to increase.

Personally I just use different letter prefix for each schedule. I've done a lot of quirky things to finnegle schedules-buried stuff in the floor even. If you keep schedules in a CAD detail you could place a number of dummy items (say 1 x 1 x 1.2 ) in the floor to add up to the difference then crop the view in layout.

1 hour ago, Chloe1Casey said:

Unfortunately dragging doesn't work since they are two separate schedules and I am trying to make the schedule number greater than the number of items in the schedule.  :-(

Well if you must - There are a few options-in X11 you may be able to force the issue with referenced plans (new feature) there may be a way to use the room attribute in Ruby (also new and not something I can help with.
This can be made to work. here is a simple macro

simple_schedule_number.to_i + 52

(discovered on needs to be that plus 1-"simple_schedule_number.to_i + 52 +1")

Where "52" is how much you want to increase the start of number by. IOW it adds 12 to the schedule number. THIS will NOT show up in the Number column of the schedule though.

I"m attaching a zip with two macros in it. (there is a way to make it work as a single macro for either but I don't remember how and can't find it right now-one of the Rubymeisters may helps with that or something better than this)

 

Back to these macros- one evaluated is as referenced the other is evaluated as owner.

 (forgot what I named em) you can rename them once imported.

Unzip, then in chief-CAD, text, text macro management. When that opens import and find each file (one at a time)

Change the numbering to suit your needs.

Place the owner macro in an OIP field in each object. If  you don't already have one make one up to suit-you will place that in your schedule. You will use that field in the schedule to replace the number field. You can rename it Number_ or something so you know it's yours and not the default Number.
For the callouts you place one a callout with a text arrow for each object you want. The arrow MUST connect to the object AND the callout. You will be able to tell if it actually reads something besides evaluation error (my nickname You can however make the arrow invisible once it is connected. Then you can copy and paste the callouts around as needed.

 

In case any Ruby folks are following along-first apologies for simple approach but more imporantly WHY does the macro evaluate to one thing in the TMM (54 in this case) but something else in the schedule?

Ref num.zip

[Chloe1Casey]

The weird thing about all this is the fact that my workaround works perfectly well with the Electrical schedule but not the Fixture schedule.

 

[Chloe1Casey]

3 minutes ago, MarkMc said:

That works by room, only one at a time. What the OP wants is the numbers to increase.

Personally I just use different letter prefix for each schedule. I've done a lot of quirky things to finnegle schedules-buried stuff in the floor even. If you keep schedules in a CAD detail you could place a number of dummy items (say 1 x 1 x 1.2 ) in the floor to add up to the difference then crop the view in layout.

Well if you must - There are a few options-in X11 you may be able to force the issue with referenced plans (new feature) there may be a way to use the room attribute in Ruby (also new and not something I can help with.
This can be made to work. here is a simple macro

simple_schedule_number.to_i + 12

Where "12" is how much you want to increase the start of number by. IOW it adds 12 to the schedule number. THIS will NOT show up in the Number column of the schedule though.

I"m attaching a zip with two macros in it. (there is a way to make it work as a single macro for either but I don't remember how and can't find it right now-one of the Rubymeisters may helps with that or something better than this)

 

Back to these macros- one evaluated is as referenced the other is evaluated as owner.

 (forgot what I named em) you can rename them once imported.

Unzip, then in chief-CAD, text, text macro management. When that opens import and find each file (one at a time)

Change the numbering to suit your needs.

Place the owner macro in an OIP field in each object. If  you don't already have one make one up to suit-you will place that in your schedule. You will use that field in the schedule to replace the number field. You can rename it Number_ or something so you know it's yours and not the default Number.
For the callouts you place one a callout with a text arrow for each object you want. The arrow MUST connect to the object AND the callout. You will be able to tell if it actually reads something besides evaluation error (my nickname You can however make the arrow invisible once it is connected. Then you can copy and paste the callouts around as needed.

 

In case any Ruby folks are following along-first apologies for simple approach but more imporantly WHY does the macro evaluate to one thing in the TMM (54 in this case) but something else in the schedule?

Ref num.zip

Thanks Mark!  I will try it.  I think that maybe just giving a different letter prefix as you suggested is probably the best workaround in the short term for me.

[MarkMc]

9 minutes ago, Chloe1Casey said:

The weird thing about all this is the fact that my workaround works perfectly well with the Electrical schedule but not the Fixture schedule.

Actually IF I had to I would make only one schedule IN a CAD detail, send it to layout multiple times and crop each one-include the room number in a column for simplicity. Hardest part is making a couple extra headers for each schedule but that could be the layout box label.

[Chloe1Casey]

1 hour ago, MarkMc said:

Actually IF I had to I would make only one schedule IN a CAD detail, send it to layout multiple times and crop each one-include the room number in a column for simplicity. Hardest part is making a couple extra headers for each schedule but that could be the layout box label.

Actually there seems to be some really weird stuff between fixtures and schedules. I went ahead and changed the outdoor kitchen items (the ones at the bottom) to have a "X" prefix, so they changed labels to X01 and X02. I then realized that I needed a strainer/flange for the outdoor sink, so I copied and pasted the strainer from the indoor sink (labeled F02) to the outdoor sink. The pasted outdoor strainer then had the label F02/X03. I then changed a bunch of stuff in the Object DBX as well as the name in the Symbol DBX (so that it in no way continued to resemble the interior strainer) but the outside strainer still said F02/X03. I then changed the interior flange from F02 to F03 but the outside still showed F02/X03. The only way I was able to get rid of the F02 part from the outside strainer was to deselect "include in schedule" from the Object DBX and select ok, go back in and reselect 'include in schedule", and select ok. Then the exterior strainer only said X03.