HumbleChief

Feeling pretty dumb (again)this morning. I want to change the label of my windows from automatically generated by Chief to numbers I choose but I can't seem to be able to figure it out. Should be simple and probably is but...

http://www.screencast.com/t/hdKvEGznVhz

It's a known, very old bug that's impossible to reproduce in any consistent manner. There is another way to update the Layout and that is to select the Layout box and open either the 'Layout Box Layers' dbx or the Object Layer Properties' dbx and simply close it - make no changes. Can't remember which dbx it is but try both and will update the Layout.

You can always close and reopen the Layout file and that should update it as well.

This is a really insidious little fellow that can't be found by the tech guys and can wreak havoc if you print immediately after updating a plan file that hasn't updated the Layout file. Usually the Layout file has been closed and re-opened enough times to insure that the Layout is up to date - but not always.

Here's a video showing the phenomenon and Dermot's fix (or better put my lack of skill) worked.

http://www.screencast.com/t/mnD0x0kqx

Larry, I read your post a couple of times and I must say, I do not know what you are talking about in terms of automatic tendencies or behavior. When I do not want a space to be a deck, I give it some other room name and program its settings.

I do not know what you are asking by : "Is there a way to retain the room def and not have it revert to Deck?", I mean , I experience this differently than you do I guess. I draw and program the spaces, not a mechanical device running automatically. Chief is merely a tool which you direct to a result, nothing more.

 

DJP

I think Dermot's on to the/my problem. If using a deck railing and you change even the color of a rail the room reverts to a deck. Makes perfect sense. I'll try a regular railing wall instead.

I'll bet that's it Dermot. I'll double check that wall/railing type. Thanks for the tip.

...and not have outside railing rooms revert to 'Decks'? I'm finding I have no use for 'Deck' rooms and want to just leave as unspecified because they just seem to behave better. However whenever anything is changed on the railing walls Chief reverts those rooms back to "deck' rooms.

Is there a way to retain the room def and not have it revert to Deck?

I think the foundation needed to be aligned with walls above/below. Try changing the foundation walls to align with each other.

http://www.screencast.com/t/A1CamUnczc7

Turn off main layer only?

Make the walls invisible then change the line properties if you want them to show in plan.

BTW almost all the Chief users will create 2 plans for 'As Built' plan and 'Proposed' or 'New' plans when doing a remodel. It's really hard to get demo plans to play with new const. without 2 sets of plans.

http://www.screencast.com/t/02Dv0iI0P5E

I'd be tempted to start a new clean plan with the knowledge gained here...

Good advice.

Just tried and, yes, I can also snap to reference layers.

http://www.screencast.com/t/hvKIhabU

Glenn, We need some more vids from you mate!

Pretty long - hope it helps.

http://www.screencast.com/t/jh8WSyMHI

Audio and Video out of synch sorry.

That's a great idea Mick. Like I said in an earlier post I had the same thing happen in a plan the other day so I have to assume it's not that uncommon. I'll suggest that change right now.

Always been curious about ref sets. I use them during drawing but never in Layout. How would the OP use ref sets to accomplish what he wants?

Put the dimensions he wants to view on all pages on a specific layer that is then shown in a custom ref set?

Thanks Mick,

I was able to copy and paste stuff between back up plans and got everything back OK. I'm pretty sure I didn't have the 'retain deck framing' box checked and must have moved a deck/railing wall. And the invisible interior wall messed up the exterior siding - sigh. Live and learn of course and as I played with the plan this morning I had a window opened constantly checking deck framing.

Thanks you guys.

Dennis, Rebuilding the deck only builds it according to Chief's spec's. In this case all the deck framing was done in a custom manner as that's where the work on this project is being done. I do have some back up and am trying to decide whether I should try and import the framing from that plan or import the cabinets etc. form the bad plan. Probably the latter.

I think you identified the problem Michael. I've got the framing retained on the back up plan and will watch/change that invisible wall, which I need in place to define the ceiling over that little nook. Anyway long day yesterday and my frustration got the better of me. A fresh look today will likely clear up a couple issues.Thanks again.

Speechless. Not really. Messing with a plan and the deck framing disappears. Just gone. The REALLY frustrating part is I have no idea what I did to disappear the framing so it's just a matter of time before I do it again - ugh.

http://www.screencast.com/t/ckZGSugQN

DECK GONE.plan

SAME THING happened to another plan this morning. BUG? Anyone else seen this? User error?

Todd,

I get the roofs on the second floor too. Never seen that and couldn't find a way to not see them other than in the roof plane display dbx but shouldn.t have to do that.

Sounds like you have it well in hand ....  sorry , just can't stop thinking like a Contractor when I see stuff like that..... Fir decking though , I'd say that's more than a DOH ! though must have been free wood at the time ! 

...and tongue and groove - never had a chance. Appreciate all the help I can get BTW so appreciate the input.

Incorrect,  I was wrong again.....

BUT I double checked and as always very helpful advice.

 That is a long span especially on the LH side ,12' is long even for an effective 6x6 , is it not bouncy? especially at 42" centres , I'd add another 6x6 joist in between existing I think.

 

M.

It currently has 2 x 6 tongue and groove fir decking which rotted really fast (DOH) and the deck has virtually no detectable bounce. Our plan is to add a 4 x 6 (maybe a 6 x 6) between each existing joist/beam and use Ipe decking - after replacing the rotted joists/beams.

DIng Ding Ding ,we have a winner     still had the plan open so I looked and yes the main bearing beam is 2" higher than the Joists

 

M.

Good eye!! Yes it's actually built that way and we are going to replace some rotted members and rebuild the deck as it is now. We think the 18" concrete caissons were poured too high and the joists had to be notched to get the proper deck height.

Wasn't spec'd as a bearing beam (even though it is) and wasn't spec'd to frame as you see it but auto frame would cut off those beams when reopening the plan.

I would bet it is because it is a BEARING BEAM,  and the top of beam is higher than bottom of deck joists...... just guessing

I had auto framing on and yes the top of the beam is higher than the bottom of the deck joists - they are actually notched over the beam (not bearing BTW). It rebuilt that weird cut off situation till turned off auto framing. Thanks for the heads up Mick/Scott.

I would bet it is because it is a BEARING BEAM,  and the top of beam is higher than bottom of deck joists...... just guessing

All of that will be re-framed with custom beams/joists as the config is pretty out of the ordinary.

I guess you posted the fixed Plan Larry ? looks ok to me  though I have seen that issue a lot myself. Looks like you need to extend the Main roof lane back under the eave on the LH side of that small gable too ,there is a hole there,as it only built to the wall line.

 

Not sure why all your deck beams are cut off at the main deck beam though ........

Deck beams cut.JPG

Yeah darn I guess I did post the fixed plan. That plan was in the early stages of development. All of the lower framing for that deck will be changed to fit the new configuration. Was hoping the pimples in the plan would not be a distraction to the issue of the gable.