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The picture is above. The plumbing wall is just a 2x6 wall, with or without drywall. Sometimes we drywall them for stiffness. It allows plumbing and or electrical to have a place to enter the island from below (i.e. slab, floor). From there, there is lots of room to plumb sinks and or install outlets, etc.

Yes, sorry, MTO is Material Take Off.  I am starting to dabble with the Components and material list master aspects to start to apply to cost information for the actual build. So I am trying to use whatever it is in CA that would approximate the real way it will actually be ordered and built. So take a cabinet for example. If I add a side panel, it could be $100 extra, etc., so it is fairly easy for cabinets. I saw a video on custom crown molding today that went into real detail on how to build it up for multi-layer crown. So I am looking at the tools under the materials list to see if I can offer a decent MTO/cost aspect of my service to some of the people I do business with. My first runs at this are "if you can really nail this, you get all my design business".

So, in the past, I have used things like fake cabinets to close out the plumbing wall gaps, fillers, whatever it took to make it "look" right as the plan was regarded as conceptual only. But, the materials list does not reflect reality as I took a shortcut as I was learning.

So my real question is, what would be the best CA tool to reflect the finishing of each end of the island as above so that I could most accurately provide the materials list for a kitchen that had an island with a very common center wall. I do not think it is a cabinet.

So far, the material list for standard stuff like doors, flooring, etc, seems to be simple enough.

2 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said:

Is this is Chief question or a general construction question?  

Most definitely a Chief question. 

From what I can tell, if you want to use the cost/MTO functions of Chief for kitchens/baths, you must be careful of using the Chief tools to make the designs look right, and what that turns out to be. In practice, they build a small baseplate and essentially use a filler. The installers do not use a cabinet to close up the ends. In practice, the plumbing walls are just like base cabinets on normal walls. I have a contractor that is considering using Chief as an MTO tool through the designs. Not sure about how accurate it could be.

What is the best way to address islands? I normally build in a plumbing/utility wall as most of them have a sink and or power. I have been using a half wall for that. What is the best way to close off the ends? Cabinet partition, filler? I close the top with a custom countertop. I have closed it with a cabinet that I just make small and remove the face, or leave the door face as a panel removing the knob - false door. In reality, the cabinet makers use a filler. Looking for the best way to solve this. Not sure why I have a double image here.

41 minutes ago, solver said:

 

People rarely need to use a 3D Molding Polyline.

 

Here is a video showing where you might use one.

 

@Solver, that did the trick, fast and easy, thanks.

 

 

 

In your case, draw a Molding Polyline in plan.

 

And a suggestion for the future. Pictures almost always help explain, and usually, elevations, unless your question is related to the elevation, are not as good as a 3D.

 

In your case, that hood might be curved/sloped etc and it would not be clear looking at an elevation.

14 minutes ago, MarkMc said:

Sounds cool, but I can not get it to work. I make a cabinet/drawer symbol ok, then the rest loses me. 

 

With a little fiddling this works on anything at all so long as the edge you want to add molding to is straight.

 

Select hood in plan, convert to symbol, cabinet door, change the Y origin.

Place cabinet correct width and height of hood, depth of cabinet to be where you need the molding

The sides and back as openings, seperations at 0"

Find the CAD block for the hood and insert door and insert into plan view.

Hood as door.plan

you can see where I added a 3D polyline.

I have a series of cabinets on the wall, can select molding, all good. I also have an "Arch Raised Mantle Range Hood" on the same wall (it is a copyrighted object by Jim Bishop), all good. But I need to add the same crown molding on the cabinet to the object. I can not seem to find a good way to do this.

I imagine I could create a tiny cabinet above it and just have the molding show, or do customer polyline? I have seen examples in the videos of custom moldings. I really do not need to go to that extent. I know there is an easy way somewhere..... thanks in advance.

I have a kitchen image that is at ~760 passes and counting at about 5:20 hours. I have seen some example shots of the RT that look absolutely amazing. This is the public stuff on the CA sites, etc. Given it is an image at the end of the day, is there any way to capture the metadata that was in place at the time in the DBX settings that were used to generate the image? I have seen this in digital cameras where there are properties captured like exposure, etc. It would be nice to be able to learn what allowed those images to be generated in such a fashion, and when the number of passes starts hitting the point of diminishing returns.

The reason I ask is like everything, it sure would be nice to get a feeling of what lighting/material properties are most beneficial as the @TheKitchenAbode points out.  I take it these are the "base settings".  What would be common changes to those settings?

@Chrisb222 thanks for posting your process. When you say "Then adjust, repeat. If something's wrong...", what adjustments are you referring to? How does the image properties compare to external tools like Photoshop?

I was also able to play with the image settings on the fly, and some of them had immediate and drastic results. I did find the defaults to be the best settings for this one drawing.

18 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

 

I just wanted to be sure you are taking about separate plan views and not separate plan files ?

 

If it is plan views maybe we answered your question already but if it is plan files it seems there may be a mystery here.

It is actually plan files, separate files, linked to one layout for as-built/proposed.

3 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

If you don't get a quick answer on the other question you may want to participate in todays webinar.

 

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/events/

I just registered, thank you. 

Hi all, two questions:

1) When I create window schedules on a detail page, I selected a plan/view, and it creates the schedule just fine. However, if I have more than one plan open, I was thinking it would take the last selected plan. I had to close the other plan to get it to work right. I was thinking my selection make the one plan "active". in this case, I had an as-built plan open and a proposed plan open, I wanted to generate the schedule from the proposed plan only. This is a minor nit but I figure there is a good trick out there. If I am in the proposed plan view, it generates the right schedule but puts it onto the view.

2) Given the scenario above, the proposed plan has a mixture of existing and new windows. When I create the schedule, it puts them all on the schedule. But what I really want is just the new windows. I looked at the schedule tool section of the reference doc but saw no answers. Custom schedule?

@solver  Wow, a one-second fix.  Yes, the camera was outside. It works the same for either cross-section view, once the camera is in the right place. The video threw me cause nothing was inside.  Thanks, my friend!!!

@solver here is what I am seeing, I can not see the roof planes in the cross-section like the video. The video is on the right. The title of the window in the video says cross section on it.

@Joe_Carrick thanks for point that out, I got it working just fine. One last question, how do I get a cross-section elevation to show custom ceiling planes like in this video below? I looked at display settings for the cross-section but nothing is jumping out.

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/309/drawing-vaulted-and-curved-ceilings.html?playlist=96

Hi all,

I have seen the kitchen remodel video that shows how to do a custom ceiling (add a vault) and that all made sense. However, in the example, it seems to pick up from core roof build based on the exterior walls as the baseline. In some simple kitchens and baths, I have been just using interior walls only (no exterior walls) as the ceiling was never required. I imagine I could make a new wall type that is labeled exterior so a roof can be generated. I had one plan recent where I had to capture an existing vaulted ceiling on a kitchen, and I could not find a way to use a customer ceiling plane to make it work.

I am not seeing the best practice out there just yet. Is the best practice to make exterior walls all the time if ceilings will be an issue.

I worked with another member here recently and we came up with two options:

1) Continue doing work as I am, saving PLAN files as revisions. The pros are the history, the cons are multiple files.

2) Go to the layer set approach as called out in the kitchen demo video. While I get it, it seems a bit weak for the more complex demo sets.

Other ideas are welcome!

Update, the reason the heap clear command is NOT work was that I did not run the command prompt in Admin mode. There was no feedback when running the command in normal mode so I had no idea. The only reason I noted it was doing additional troubleshooting like the file checker, etc. it mentioned the admin mode.

Actually, my video card does have the required memory.

Thanks all!

On 11/15/2020 at 3:06 PM, Kbird1 said:

 

Thanks David , appreciate the post , I was concerned the OP may think I was somehow giving bad information based only on the downvote.

 

Mick.

 

This is the first I checked back since I posted. I do not believe it was me that gave the thumb down unless I accidentally clicked it. But I agree, @Kbird1 is always helpful to me. :-), keep it up brother!

Hi, I followed the instructions/articles on how to clear the windows debugging heap, but after I run the commands and reboot it has no effect. Running Windows 10 with the latest patches, same with CA12.

I did find my video card memory is lacking which may be the cause of my crashes in 3D, but it is not consistent.

@ACADuser that is amazing stuff. Not sure why those links are not presenting themselves when I search. Maybe go back to Google search :-). But thank you great content.

@Kbird1 great stuff!

Looking for the best way to illustrate an insulated roof connected via ledger to a wall supported by posts (or a half wall in some circumstances). I was able to use a roof plane for a similar situation discussed recently. I noticed I have to play with the baseline/facia/ridge to get things to line up right. Some of these will have posts, others will have half walls. I was wondering if there was a library out there for aluminum structures. I either missed it or did not see one in the catalog.

Hi All,

Wondering what the best process is for showing demolition and changes from current to the future state? I have searched the reference and tutorial docs but have not found anything that describes the best practice other than saving file revisions.

TIA = Thanks In Advance.

@solver I was thinking the roof framing was already built as part of the structure. So no, I have not built the framing. I will look at the guides now.

Update: Got it thank you!

@solver Correct.

I have the surface specified as seamed EPDM, and the structure is fir framing, with the Use Roof Ceiling Finish unchecked. I have Framing Ceiling Beams and Roof Beams. I deleted the ceiling layer as well, but all it renders is the EPDM layer and the T&G layer under it. That part looks fine.

I was trying to show the roof beams for the structure, so they would follow the slope of the roof versus manually drawing roof beams