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3 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said:

All you need to do for appliances like these is change the Y Offset and Bounding Box Depth to match this dimension...

Thanks Michael.  I figured it out.  One more question,  Is it possible to have the 2d block shown inside the oven cabinet (in plan view) to be a dashed line where it is actually inside the cabinet?  Kevin

2 hours ago, MarkMc said:

Michael's correct. Thought that was the first thing I tried and failed, must've missed something

2 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

Happens to the best of us.  By the way...

 

 

...just a quick tip, but when you DO need to force an offset in your 2D Block, use an empty Text Box in lieu of actual CAD items in the CAD Block and you'll get a truly invisible item in that 2D Block. 

Thanks guys.  I know how to customize the 2d block by using "CAD Block Management" > Insert, but how do I change the bounding box?

7 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

What happens when you assign it a completely different block?

Same results.  Attached is the .plan file and the 3D symbol.  

INSET OVEN PLAN.plan

INSET OVEN SYMBOL.calibz

6 minutes ago, tommy1 said:

If all else fails, you might need to edit the cad block and reassign the new cad block to the symbol.

Tommy - already did that.  I created the 3D symbol myself and modified the 2D block to clean it up.  The symbol is already offset in Y to ensure it flushes out with the cabinet; however, the block does not follow and I see no way to offset it independently.  There's got to be a workaround for this.

5 minutes ago, tommy1 said:

Try changing the origins of the oven.

4 minutes ago, DavidJPotter said:

 

You do that by opening the symbol using "Edit 3D Symbol" tool where you can then change aspects of the symbol.

 

DJP

Sorry, I don't follow.  I have already changed the origins of my 3D symbol and it works perfectly in 3D views.  The plan view is the problem where the oven handles don't project beyond the cabinet face frame.  I can find no such control to "Edit 3D Symbol".  Do you mean "Open Object" or "Open Symbol"?  Thanks again.

I've created a Wolf Double Oven to be installed flush inset into an oven cabinet.  The face of the oven doors is to be flush with the cabinet frame - obviously the handles project beyond the cabinet frame.  The 3D symbol works great, but the 2D block in plan view is wrong.  I've looked around this morning for a solution and found a thread by Joe Carrick which closely resembles the issue, but saw no solution.  Is there a workaround for this?  Thanks.

18 minutes ago, solver said:

 

 

 

Open the wall and make the railing Solid. Probably will have some side effects, and I did not look at your plan.

Eric - I didn't get that error message the first time, but did after restarting.  That worked.  Thanks. 

I've created a recessed toilet paper holder for a client that is to go in the lower section of a pony wall (below shower glass) - see attached.  The new symbol (also attached) works fine on a standard wall, but not on a pony wall.  I've even tried using a wall niche to give me the cut-out, but no luck there either.  Anyone got any ideas on how I do this?  Thanks, Kevin

Recessed Toilet Paper Holder.calibz

25 minutes ago, solver said:

 

Yes, edit the mirror material.

Thanks Eric!

I've got a vanity mirror that wraps along the back wall and two sides - see attached.  The mirror material will only reflect once - more than that I get a gray color.  I'm guessing this single reflection is all that's possible unless I raytrace?  Even still, is there a way to change the gray color to something else - like say white?  Thanks, Kevin

1 minute ago, solver said:

Forgot to attach the plan.

 

No jambs or frames, just using the sash. No top sash on the flanking windows. Right window overlaps the mulled unit.

 

jw.zip

Thank you Eric!

Just now, MarkMc said:

Just move it after placing-transform replicate.

storefront.plan

Thanks Mark.  This looks like precisely what I need.  I appreciate the file - will study tonight.

5 minutes ago, solver said:

Not sure why everything needs to be mulled. Here I mulled the door and flanking windows.

 

Eric - are you using jambs or a frame to define the glass area with no sash on the window or have you removed the frame and altered the sash to define the frame?  How did you get the offset window to "share" a common frame with the sidelight?  This is what I have been unable to do.  Kevin

3 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

Done in Sketchup, symbol is a fixture

Looks good Gene.  This is what I am hoping to do.

1 minute ago, joey_martin said:

Is the distance between set to 0 or the standard 2" OOB?

 

It's set to "0".  Still giving me problems.  I think I can model it to more closely resemble the unit outside of Chief.

9 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

If you decide to go the symbol route, just import as a regular fixture, click on the Options tab, set the symbol to Inserts Into Wall, set the Depth to match your wall thickness + any desired offset into the room and then after you place the symbol, select it while in an elevation and click the Edit Wall Cutout Polyline tool.  Now adjust your wall cutout to whatever you want it to be.

Thanks Michael.  I'll try importing as fixture and adjust the cut-out.  Kevin

19 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said:

Search this forum for "Storefront"

Thanks Joe.  I will take a look.

12 minutes ago, rgardner said:

Mulling together can be done but needs to be done in order.  Also the upper window should be set to level 1 instead of 0 so that it mulls correctly.  Try mulling together the two side lites and door first, then the upper window last.  The side window doesn't need to be mulled as you can place it manually properly and it would be separate, however if you mull that at the end it will as well...  Here is an example all mulled together: 

Thanks Ryan.  I have done everything you suggestion including the window level to 1.  Just like in your example, I get a double frame between the door section and the offset window. I know that it doesn't have to be perfect, but I'd like to to more closely resemble what's there.  Kevin

I've got a store front with commercial windows, door, and sidelights - see attached.  I have tried mulling these units together with no success - creates a real mess with the wall layers.  I could easily model this configuration in another app and bring into Chief as a symbol, but not sure what to bring it in as.  If I opt for window type, I won't need casings, jambs, etc, added to the symbol.  Further, my first attempts would not let me get away with the non-rectangular cut-out.  What is the best way to go about this?  Thanks, Kevin

On 10/15/2020 at 2:50 AM, Alaskan_Son said:

Just FYI, if you’re properly syncing the origin in both pieces of software, things should align in 3D and you can actually fix the 2D by just copying the values from the offsets and just moving the object by those amounts instead.  

Thanks Michael.  I have checked that the origins are the same in both programs and it still doesn't align correctly in Chief.  X aligns just fine, but Y and Z are off.  It really isn't a big deal to move though.  Good to know that I can correct the 2D symbol using the offsets.  Kevin

22 minutes ago, DzinEye said:

Kevin, could you import those along with another piece of geometry from the room that you could use to more accurately place it?  Perhaps a diagonal line drawn to one of the corners of the room?

Hi Mark.  That is a good idea.  I could choose a segment that fits neatly in the corner of a room.  The 2D symbols not aligning with the 3D objects is a deal breaker for me to want to use this method in the future though...  Thanks for you input.  Kevin

1 hour ago, Alaskan_Son said:

The way it works in Chief is that the the 3D representation is offset, not the 2D block.  It’s not a perfect solution.  Check your 3D and see how that looks.

 

By the way, this is yet another example of where we could really use a Convert To Symbol In Place functionality.

 

 

That's crazy.  It still doesn't align in the 3D view.  Have tried various import formats.  I was able to move it by gauging distances in elevation view.  Guess it will have to do for now.  Appreciate the help.

1 hour ago, Alaskan_Son said:

That's really up to you.  Place a temporary point at 0,0 is one way, or just select the symbol after you place it and use Transform/Replicate>Move>Absolute Location

Michael - I can get the symbol built with the offset origin - first image,  But when I place it in the plan view the origin is reset to center by the bounding box - second image.  When I try to move to absolute 0,0,0 - it ignores the offset origin.  What step am I missing here?  Thanks!

37 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

That's really up to you.  Place a temporary point at 0,0 is one way, or just select the symbol after you place it and use Transform/Replicate>Move>Absolute Location

Thanks again!

58 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

You can use this...

 

Thanks Michael.  And when placing it in the plan, how do I ensure I click at 0,0?