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OK nice ones Johnny is doing great job in ca. My take on battered walls, some times I post the apples while the apples are needed. I used my favourite tool(roof) combined with walls.

Yes but I don't have time to model everything, I would lose money. I want to find symbols on sketch-up or in the lib. I couldn't imagine, solid  modeling a high rise building with solids, when a program has all the tools you need. I'd prefer a program that does most of the work for me, then I can customize it.

Perry, I don't thing so. No solids and pline solid! Chief has the tools post, beam, footing etc. Just put it as walls. And I can assure you the way you model concrete beams in revit is the same to chief's. No solids I repeat! What chief doesn't do is the structural calc and Rebar detailing, but the basic modelling isn't time taking. 3D model based Drafting is how chief simplifies the 2d drawings. Pick and put in place , using replicate, transform and paste hold position works from one storey to the next and so on and Architects can use it easily, I am not comparing it with Revit, but works prety well for me. BTW I am engineer at the same time and use STAAD PRO for the structural analysis.

Greg, thanks for sharing.

".....I guess you could design the structure using all p-line solids but that's not my bag. I'm pretty sure Yusuf uses Chief just for the 3d stuff..."

Perry you are really missing this stuff in ca! Must watch this video and at least see how it does, sure it isn't that Much behind the Revit it self as you believe. Beam,column,slabs are easy to model as you see .........admit this time Mr Peru!

https://youtu.be/pBvgneGYFfY

Yes it does do framing/ structure for commercial buildings.

So I guess you are talking about RC frame 'modelling'.

And I got you now what you mean by saying this Perry

".....I guess you could design the structure using all p-line solids but that's not my bag. I'm pretty sure Yusuf uses Chief just for the 3d stuff..." You are saying this stuff(in the picture) is simply a 3D. I think I got you now, I remember in an old thread you also raised this framing isn't easy. Hopefully I am not mistaken?

Thanks, Dennis and Perry, but I didn't get what exactly Perry is asking by saying ".....we have to also show the structure and how its built, there is more than just 3d views. I know ,Yusuf has to then go to another program to do this, It would be nice if Chief could also do the structure....." Design or drafting?, chief does the later pretty well if one person can do the whole Arch,Structure and MEP plans(excluding smaller homes that any one in the industry can do). But I think designing structure is the engineers task and Revit Arch doesn't do structural design.

I'm thinking it's WAY more than imagination ...more like a talented Engineer , that looks at everything (and understands how it works) as an Engineering challenge

You might be one of 6 ? people who could make Chief do that , and I am not sure any of them Work at Chief ... they might have to hire you to be able to Push CA forward into the realm of VW , ie. can you program something you don't understand ? Not of course that there are many residential House's with "Flower" style Roofs of course so perhaps CA just doesn't have the resources to incorporate stuff that isn't needed in their target market especially when there are other "simpler" issues to deal with like Stairs and the Structure DBX to deal with 1st .

Personally I'd be happy if I could use my $3000 Software to design a simple piece of custom furniture , with joints etc like you can in SU , which I really don't/didn't want to have to learn too.

M.

Mick, thank you for the appreciate. I would be glad, please pass the application to head office, that was my dream ....kkk. If any one likes to experiment on the test plan. Here is the flower house roof plan.

roof and shapes.zip

very nice ones, I like it.

Thanks, Larry and Greg for the appreciate. Some times people argue mixing the user capability with software capability, for complex geometry it is not the software that matters but ones understanding about what he want to achieve is more important. For instance, I didn't took time to model this in chief compared to the time it took me to comprehend what the Vw expert was about to achieve(though it is a video and not sketch with dimensions) following his VW process. Then I defined the process in chief that would make me get the output and done it.

Here you see the power of the roof plane and the potential capabilities of chief to improve its process. I know what the tools in chief can do. and I woudnt even try if there wasn't the roof tool that can do most of the geometries used in building industry. Any way I suggest chef to add a roof extract tool that let's us to control the edges of the roofplane apart from the angles and and the other controls that currently exist, in general chief should move forward and it really can touch the sky.

Thanks

This is not an extended video, just to show the extent we can create ecomplex roof geometries using chief. This is an example like the VW one johnny shared here.

https://youtu.be/bEsGg_nPAzA

johnny, on 06 Aug 2015 - 9:27 PM, said:

I can't have CA take a shape I made and make it a roof....or I can't have a shape become a wall etc. I realize there are some things you can get to behave like and object, but that is very limited from what i've seen in CA.

Why would you want to do that instead of using Chief's tools for those things? Chief can make those items so much faster.

Let me give you an example:

I do log homes and have a set of Log Symbols that i use to stack a wall just like it would be built in the real world.

But Chief won't recognize those as a wall. So I created a single thickness (log size) wall type using a transparent material. I build the house using those transparent walls, insert all my doors and windows and then start placing my Log Symbols centered on those walls. I stretch them to the correct lengths and replicate as needed vertically. IOW, I build my Log Walls just like I would in the real world but the Transparent Walls are what Chief recognizes as the boudaries of my structure.

You're a creative guy - don't fight Chief, use it to your advantage.

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As Joe says, there is nothing that you can't do in chief.

Here is one like your earlier videos, the walls follow the shape as you see in the picture. More complex geometry could be done in chief, I think only the horse geometry may be tough to try in chief, and I advise to never underestimate the power of roof planes in chief. That doesn't mean I don't support pushing chief to get improved, I agree with all the valuable ideas forwarded.

I have posted this a topic similar to this one in the old forum, some time I start with concept 3d exteriors from some stufs I have already done(made symbol) and triggers ideas to flow smoothly and watch my perspective view when shaping and floor planning both at a time. Here is an example of it. And the outcome is totally different from the starting concept and again it becomes the idea generator for an other one to come.

Great tip! Can you speak louder on the next videos?

Thanks for the feedback, I will improve the sound issues.

Mick, I was logging in to the forum some times simply to see that you are there and asking my self if there was some thing unusual happened to you. Any way praying for you to regain your health, well come back and Probably the count down was up to 30 days, then would start search for the gentle man missing.

Thanks for the input guys. Here is what I have come

up with so far. All the cement is built up from slabs. I

used wedges on the front of the stairs (see vector view)

to make the undercut effect. I couldn't get any type of

railing to generate the look I needed so I made a section

of railing (see thumbnail) which worked fine on the flat

portion of the porch but I couldn't make it follow down

the stairs as in the actual construction. Basically I built

the descending rail portions from scratch. I had a play

with attaching the rounded portion of the hand rail on

top by using a 3d molding polyline and it is doable but

will take a lot of niggling to pull off. All in all it's looking

pretty decent in Standard View which is all I really need

for now. Vector View is a little messy in spots but can

probably be cleaned up with a little more precision in

the plan and some touch up work. At least I can see

the light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately I didn't

do this mockup to scale so I will have the delightful

experience of doing it all over again using actual dims.

I'll bet that when they built this stoop in 1930 they

never imagined what a pain it would be to generate

in Chief.

Good job, Try ramps. I explained it in earlier threads.

Here is the plan, I checked it is not easily changing by it self.

Display the Zattic.

att.plan

att f.plan

Yeah Scott...I just typed up a long response with pics to the zipped file....it is not working as you stated yet is was clearly working from your screen shots.....unless you also are a Photoshop Guru!

 

Might just "fix it" with PS....won't be the first time, nor the last. :-)

 

It would still be very interesting to have "the fix" with a couple clicks of a button.  In the actual building, it is considerably more complex.  The roof baseline height is a couple feet lower just like it is in the example here but the roof pitch is considerably steeper crossing the higher roof plane so I actually need the attic wall to "flip" the outside siding from one side to the other.  I considered a "Wall Covering" but you can't quite define the triangular areas effectively.  Pretty easy to fix this using PS but quite another for construction documentation.  Grrrrr.....

Giving up quickly on chief is not good, I think I have found stable one. Let me check it.

Thanks for the comments - and the recommend on how to do the parapet walls.

What about the fact I won't have a "ridge" and my perimeter will be all leading edges of the roof?

Johnny, flat roofs are what we do here whether a slab roof or very small pitch roof. The roof tool is very flexible and for example, i have attached the pic of a house I am working on and still under modeling, and the final look may be totally different from this one. I use chief for idea analysis. and don't forget using the shadow boards for various purposes. The other image is an office building with slab roof I have done during the x2 era.

I have seen posts before with issues with balusters ,so I know to use a panel for this type of thing , one can be made pretty much like the photo with the Arcways catalogue items it's not too difficult , the other I can't match as I don't have the Scroll in the middle so I used the Arcways Scroll ,but it is really too big, maybe the other scroll is in another library ?  I didn't look to hard , it's late.

 

Cedar and Wrought Iron4.JPGCedar and Wrought Iron2.JPG

 

If either works let me know and I'll posts the symbols in the Symbols forum.

 

M.

Mick, very interesting ones! Please post this items in the symbols and content forum. Sure they are very much helpful and looks perfect.

Thanks

See attached picture... I'm trying to finalize the roof on a house and I am having an issue with the "Perspective Full Overview".  I've tried shifting the roof plane, even separating the ridge and the funky line will not fully go away, or it shifts too.  Any suggestions on how to solve this, so I can present the views to my client?

 

I'm using X6.

 

Thanks,

Jess Kittle

Kittle Custom Home Design

I suggest you to contact Shanek. Because you already have an offer from one of the knowlidgable guys here. He has an excellent experience in using chief and a researcher on such things you asked.

Thanks Larry, ShaneK and perry for the kind words. Regarding the finishing of projects, nowa days I have pretty much realized that every thing can be done in chief and it is all about creating accurate models to easily produce plan sets . But I work with AutoCAD guys and mostly they need the DWG file. I will post it after I finish or scan my external drive for one to post.

Here is another example of how I use it, RC STRUCTURE.

It is early stage and all is well so far, hope I am gona complete it with out much difficulties. Thanks again chief.

Use temporary "cad detail from view" and do your lines up there, since it helps to snap any point you want. Copy those lines and paste it back"hold position" to your elevations. This is one way to do it, but not probably the only way. hopefully others will also tell us an other useful methods.

It seems that my method is not working for you guys. No feed backs though! Hopefully some one who already use this or understands will interpret it for you in your English.

For sure this works fine, if you pay head.

Well this one is messy. Plants, trees & hedges around the house need to move with the house. Also the pool equipment, AC units Lani, pool deck etc.

 

Better to move the site I think, haven't got that subtract thing to select anything but I will keep trying.

Layers may be doable but I need to re-layer all  new landscape next to the house.

 

Thanks

Alan you should have to cut a very small width rectangular strip out of the subtracted area to get it work, don't forget using to hold the Shift+C to move concentrically. It is not limited to this but you can enclose any shape polyline to the area you need. I don't think you are missing the selection before the "edit area all floors"

See this example the shaded area let's me to select all most any thing except the house, may be some elements falling in or around the thin strip will need to treat as exception.