Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 When I use the manual joist tool on a deck project, the manually placed joists and blocking always end up as ceiling joists and ceiling blocking. I just know I am missing something simple, but I can't for the life of me figure out what that is. It is easy enough to adjust the heights, but then they are on the wrong layers and in the wrong groups. What am I doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 a quick guess would be you are drawing them on level 1 not level 0 so it thinks it is a Ceiling joist for level 1 , ie any framing below 0" is displayed on the Foundation level so you need to do the Blocking there too At least that is the one that gets me with the way Chief Works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 If I go to level 0 the deck disappears or is only shown in the reference level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doug_N said: If I go to level 0 the deck disappears or is only shown in the reference level. If your aren't showing Deck Framing on level 0 you won't see anything..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 In this case there is no foundation level. Test Log Cabin.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 you don't get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doug_N said: In this case there is no foundation level. Test Log Cabin.plan let me look at the plan.... why is there no foundation level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 No I did the deck on Level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doug_N said: No I did the deck on Level 1 Yes but the house must still be sitting on a foundation of some kind right? even if only 1-2ft high. or a Slab? you haven't built one yet , so in essence the House is Floating.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 The house is only a there to show the relationship of the deck. I could build a foundation, but the deck was the project, not the house.Let me try that and I will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Are the Decks auto built/framed? or did you draw the decks all manually? and then lower all the Framing? that would change things....as they are actually seen as Ceiling members or General Framing on the 1st Floor then I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Maybe we better Start again Framing view with the Planks turned off shows me lots of Blocking, so what was the Issue? just that you had to lower it all manually? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 I started with autobuilt decks, but the joists were not working out at all. I had to manually re arrange the joists, and add support for the deck plank ends where they terminated at the border planks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 I had to do most of that manually. The blocking was copied from an original block placed automatically. I couldn't add any blocking manually using Anything added was at the ceiling level, and even when lowered to the floor level would not trim properly. That was the issue. Since we have been talking I added a blank foundation and now I can see the deck framing in level zero. The blocking tool works fine. The beam tool does not work at all, it just doesn't do anything. The joist tool works but not for deck defaults, for floor defaults. I was hoping for a manual deck editing tool for framing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 did you drawing the beams and joists on 0 or 1 ? cos it's working for me on your plan after adding a blank foundation drawing on 0 ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Here is the deck design concept. The deck sections are created with invisible walls, but that creates a ton of extra framing and foundation piers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Yeah, I said that later in our back and forth. I did the blank foundation like you said, and then it worked for the blocking. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Here is what the final project should look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Doug_N said: Yeah, I said that later in our back and forth. I did the blank foundation like you said, and then it worked for the blocking. Thanks for that. Okay , I wasn't quite sure where we got to Do you normally frame your deck edge with a Single rim-joist? I think you Contractor will hate you for all that blocking It is usually stronger, faster and cheaper to build if you use a triple rim-joist and perhaps a Fascia (cedar?) to make up the width at the edge to catch the Border and plank ends. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_N Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 I will be adding a fascia for sure. The blocking isn't for the border planks, it is for the biased planks to land on near the border planks. I don't see any way around it. The client loves the border planks, so they are here to stay. As for the deck framing contractor, he will see the design before quoting, so if he has any ideas as to how it can be done better, I will be all ears. I think that perhaps the center blocking is probably not needed in the narrower decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doug_N said: I will be adding a fascia for sure. The blocking isn't for the border planks, it is for the biased planks to land on near the border planks. I don't see any way around it. The client loves the border planks, so they are here to stay. As for the deck framing contractor, he will see the design before quoting, so if he has any ideas as to how it can be done better, I will be all ears. I think that perhaps the center blocking is probably not needed in the narrower decks. I normally use 2x4 Decking and Borders as it lasts better , and the Triple and Fascia works then , but for 2X6 you could do a double then blocking then another double (Including Fascia piece) perhaps? blocking takes forever , especially when every cut is on a 45° so the extra wood is easily paid for by the reduced labour. ***Looks like a number of your Rim-joists are using LVL at 1 1/8" not 2x10 etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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