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2nd Story Closet over 1st Story Staircase

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A have a complex scenario I'h hoping someone can help me rectify.  I have a small closet on the second floor of my house.  Directly underneath is the staircase that leads up to the 2nd floor.  The closet itself is only half high, with an attic access above it.  I've attached a few images for reference to help illustrate my example.

 

  • Img 5169 - The wall directly under the closet as a user walks down the stairs
  • Img 5170 - Another angle so you can understand the slope
  • Img 5171 - What the closet looks like from the 2nd floor

 

I also attached my plans for reference.  I labeled the room Nook for reference.

 

I'd like to represent that closet correctly along with the slope of the ceiling above the stairs directly underneath.

 

Thanks


Dave

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LI 1930 Colonial House.plan

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Right, but how does it look underneath?  How to you get the slope and the open ceiling underneath like the first and second image?

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Still working on that part. Door trim is a little tricky. Do you Skype?

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Very nice Eric, What did you do about the Door Jamb on the back side?

LI 1930 Closet Back.jpg

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Nothing special. Turning off the inside casing is all I did to the door, I think.

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Ok then a custom molding line for the Jamb and Casing as well as the Baseboard for the room?

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Dave, I think this should work for you.  2 Polyline solid fillers in doorway, Custom 3D molding polyline for door jamb and Casing, Molding Polyline for Base and trim in doorway, Room molding polyline for Room Base board and Quarter round, Elevated room, Lowered door, Custom ceiling plane. Just a few things and no warranty. Not bad for 1930. A few more glitches here and there to be fixed yet. You will know a lot by the time you finish this one.

 

Here is your Plan File.:blink:

LI 1930 Colonial House Closet fix by Chop.plan

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Well done Chop.

 

I'll suggest a couple of tweaks.

 

Move the solid behind the door back giving the door space to close. Replace the closet room floor with a solid so it does not intrude into that same space.

 

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Use a 3D Molding Polyline for the stair ceiling to show the radius at the top, and bottom if needed.

 

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Finally, and this is personal preference, keep the outside casing as part of the door, only filling in the jamb with a molding.

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Eric, Very nice optional refinements.

 

2 hours ago, solver said:

Finally, and this is personal preference, keep the outside casing as part of the door, only filling in the jamb with a molding.

 

Please explain in more detail how this was done as it does not seem possible in X8 or 9.  I think I have read requests for this feature but can't see how it is possible.

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Even easier ...

 

Check Separate Trim and Materials Each Side.

 

Chop 3.jpg

 

Reduce the size of the interior casing. 

 

Chop 2.jpg

 

No need for a polyline for any door trim.

 

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OMG, I can't wait to get home and view this model.  I LOVE these forums!

 

Custom polylines are my next big thing to tackle after I get thru the baseline structure of the house.  My home has a lot of idiocraties, so its something I need to get better with.

 

You guys rock.

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Also, if you see any glaring issues with my previous file example - please feel free to call them out.  This is my third iteration of the same layout, and I'm getting closer to reality with each one.

 

Dave

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Great, Thank you Eric.  I think that was new with X8 and I forgot about it. Very helpful in this situation. That eliminates the need for the 3D molding for the door casing and jamb, as well as the Room molding polyline to compensate for the casing problem.

 

Dave, I was curious how you did the stairs?

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Using the typical stair building/landing process as outlined in the tutorial videos.  Custom riser heights based on the actual set, but I still can't get them just right.  My house has shifted somewhat in the past 81 years.  Do you see a glaring issue?

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I just was curious about the stairs but you just had them turned off.  I fixed a few more things but ran out of time for now.  It would be best just to look at the revised plan file as a reference and recreate it in your original file if you want to learn the most.

LI 1930 Colonial House Closet fix by Chop (2).plan

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I had them off so I could work on the Basement stairs and space above the kitchen.  My stairs bite into the ceiling in the kitchen in an awkward way, so that's my next design challenge

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Time to regroup ... your ceiling height is not according to code requirements (80" min.).

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I think you need to "regroup" and do a very close examination of your plan ... maybe in all areas.  I've only taken 2 cross-sections and one camera view and can identify major issues with the stairs as well as with the floor system support beam location.  That's all I've looked at.

 

 

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Here's the last two images of your stairs problems I am going to post.  As you can see, the camera tools are very important in checking out a design and diagnosing problem areas in a plan.  I use the back-clipped camera a bunch in evaluating problem areas in the plans I prepare.  Check up on the code stairs requirements before you revise your design.

 

 

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