MarkMc

Likely has to do with how you sized the object.

I copied your symbol, opened it, changed origin back to zero, then moved the stretch plane so it is within the object allowing it to stretch.

Opened object and checked the dimensions. The object MUST be all the final dimensions you want before converting to a symbol.

Then

1. Select object,
2. convert to a new symbol, name it
3. moved origin,
4. locked height by setting stretch plane outside of object.

redone.zip

The stretch plane needs to be above the total height to keep it from stretching.

NOTE in some cases it's a good idea to also have one the same distance in the opposite direction. I noticed this recently and think new to X14 but if I only offset width in one direction I was getting a symbol moving off center.

Well

1 hour ago, AndyBanks said:

so prepare for insanity when you see the outside.

Well the way you're doing cabinets doesn't help either.

In attached- copied cabs from your plan then fixed a few defaults and construction- more to do but nor by me. Would have been easier from scratch.

•  the cabinet sides that you don't want to see "NONE"
• used framed cabinets and learn how to manipulate them
• use a material for the cabinet box and NONE when you want it to go away
• Corner cabinets are made from a single cabinet- now chief does some naughty things with corner cabinets so you may have to go back to using more than one depending on what you want.
• Can use a custom symbol for shelves (or you appear to really like solids but I would learn about symbols for things like that and for doors)
• also deleted unused layers, purged unused plan materials, and merged duplicate plan materials.
• Might want to learn how to adjust materials texture without painting all the time as that can cause problems.
• Here is what a stripped plan looks like (I rarely am willing to download,in particular from Gigooglo)

Cabinets.zip

48 minutes ago, DGail1 said:

30" cabinet box, frameless construction.

I need 5 15/16", 11 15/16, 11 15/16 with 1/8" reveal between fronts.  

That adds up to 30 1/16" is a part of the reason

Even than- to get those faces you have no reveal at the bottom (have had makers do that)

AND no reveal at the top which I've never seen and would never ever allow. Something is off??

with line weights off make a detail from view- add what you need to in the cad detail, change the line weights in the detail to 0 , send to layout, print.

This was printed with line weight ON-

detail print.pdf

6 hours ago, DeLayDesign said:

2D plants can show shadows,

That has only ever been in CPU based RT. PBR always needed 3D plants for shadows even before RT was added to PBR.

To me nothing has been lost, just not all you want added. Suppose it would be nice when they improve it.

25 minutes ago, DeLayDesign said:

My issue with it, is a lack of 'glass' texture in windows would take away from the realism.  I can use 3D plants to accomplish the look as wel

Did you try Kbirds tip for turning off refraction? it shows shadows and 2D plants.

You said showing shadows was important but now say you use 2d plants which never could show them.

11 hours ago, creatrix said:

look more like the slab

Will get richer colors if you adjust the brightness in a photo editor than using blend. two version below, image files attached. Forgot as these have lights overhead (as aluded to by Eric)

Quartzite2.zip

On 7/15/2022 at 12:30 PM, DeLayDesign said:

the plant image files You can see through windows for exterior landscaping disappear

Apparently new in X14- 2D plants aren't showing through windows, 3D are fine.

Work around is change the glass to insulation air gap.

Shadows are working on 3D plants in all view types for me though.

On 7/11/2022 at 12:04 PM, mkennedy2000 said:

Any thoughts, tips, direction?

No way to automagically get that. One way would be to do something with custom OIP fields.

I selected each window, checked specify label which brought up the automatic label (there is a way to have that read a macro from an OIP field insted)

copy, cancel. Paste into OIP field, repeat...

I didn't fuss with labels, or schedule numbers for this...

I use custom OIP fields for cabinet accessories to get things into an order form template. -

Separate units (or cab mods) with semi colon and space makes manipulating in a spreadsheet using paste special.

Can also remove unwanted columns from schedule prior to copying, then undo. Paste special into spreadsheet.

1 hour ago, johnny said:

a way to remove the grey backdrop for PBR

A very very large billboard, set to always face camera, bottom a bit below terrain, use a white image.

Turn Brightness to 100 and increase exposure as much as you can get away with..

1 hour ago, Larry_Sweeney said:

I'm referring to the actual side panel of the box.

I've been doing that for years (and started asking for this in X6). This is one of the most common mods I use, pretty much every single kitchen. I always set talls so counter dies into the side- far cheaper to extend even two sides than resize a tall cabinet (and cheaper than paying for a fridge with damaged door from countertop), allows scribe to wall in remodel so no extra molding.

MOST (every one I ever carried) semi custom brands beyond the box store have that available as a standard mod

Plan attached with symbol for base, tall and wall cab.

There are several ways to do this but the one I like best is a custom door inserted into the back of the cabinet because -It will show up in plan and does not bump to the wall so can be set deep enough to allow for scribe and order the correct size (in schedule). Downside is the extra line in vector view. IF that is a real problem there are other ways and I likely have some symbols around but this is the  one I use almost always.

Symbol has to be offset for cabinets with toe kick WHICH MEANS that it also has to have a locked height so need multiples for heights-also need more if changing depth (make it bigger if you're just lazy since it doesn't bump

Extend side back.zip

2 hours ago, Larry_Sweeney said:

The problem I was having trying to insert outlets into the backsplash area was that that area was not a wall, but part of the overall cabinet structure

And your back panel is only 1" wide

After changing it to be wide enough to place an outlet into the outlets want to go to the main cabinets. You can mess with moving it away and fiddling with outlets but your solution may be the easiest (or Erics? didn't try that) In any case could do it per the attached.

island option.zip

4 hours ago, Renerabbitt said:

Why?..

change the depth to 15", no make that 16, then a 24. Need new symbols for the back insert

26 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

what the function of the turned-around doorless cabinet box on the floor is.

The turned around box was used to make the door symbol that inserts into the back. The only DBXs to check would be the 3 to the right to see how to get it to look right in vector.

In any case I would not bother.

Why- well ...

My first though when the OP asked was to insert the bottom in the back BUT I decided against that because it would not resize in depth. I've used lots of back insert doors and in many cases, such as back before we could change the interior material and I did it with back inserts and then need multiple often need multiple symbols to make it work. So i used a shelf.

I fiddled with this a bit today while avoiding paperwork and worked out a way to get the cabinet box to look right without inserting anything into the back.

BUT it's just too complicated.

If I had to do this I would use the first method I showed and if a door needs to be changed copy the symbol and change two settings- EZ and fast. and zero issues resizing depth or height.

That also leaves the back available for things I would use more often that can only be done using the cabinet back-extend side back, pipe chases and a few accessories I like to put in that way.

28 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

replacement applied rear doors, and struck out.  How about a quick vid?

There may still be a vid of a web meeting I did showing an assortment of things inserted into the back of a cabinet to solve problems (back in X9 or 10 not sure if it was recorded or if plan is still there since I ran out of space and deleted a bunch)

In any case here is an example done in stages with the final door symbol on the floor. In this case the biggest issue is  getting it to look right in vector view so there are 3 stages of that. Open each and check how the sides are done.

Symbol is made from a cabinet, rotate on the Z axis, set the y origin to depth minus 3/4"

I set it to resize about center width and somewhere in center height but lock the depth (which may no longer be necessary? but been doing that way since back in the day so force of habit)

back insert.zip

56 minutes ago, Larry_Sweeney said:

the difference in the door offset bugs me also

Like this?

Done this way

Been fine for me and assistant.

Load it and try it, you can still use older versions. We still have clients on 12 and 13 but moving all to 14 where willing.

I set file association to lowest version using that week/day but sometimes one version or another takes over the file association without asking. To avoid mistakenly saving to wrong version we use a different color scheme for each version.

Wait, took another look and it appears your bonus catalogs are in the wrong place. Not sure how that got that way or what to do then. Maybe check C:\ProgramData\Chief Architect Premier X14\Bonus Libraries

Yes only symbols and folders that you make.

FORGOT- if you have made symbols in X14 select them and export them first.

IF your X13 user catalog is correct then go to Chief X14 data folder, database libraries and delete User_Library.calib, the copy that from the X13 data folder and paste into the X14 folder. (with Chief off then open it and should be fine.)

OR group select all the unwanted folders assuming those are copies of your core catalogs which is what they look like.

The undo file is not what you want. CLose Cheif, try opening from your file manager. IF that doesn't work go to your Chief Data folder/archives (i.e C:\Users\xxx\Documents\Chief Architect Premier X10 Data\Archives) and open the most recent. Hopefully you have your settings set to hourly and you've been saving.

What others said, though did this with 4 planes, 5 would be better....this should get you started- right side shows the start. Likely need to adjust wall and roof structure defaults first. Adjust overhang until correct, adjust corner board, not much can be done with default wall at top (add solid to cover)

8 minutes ago, PKBchief said:

there are some default settings that need to be changed

Only one I know of is keep automatic framing off. IF using PBRRT (RTRT) I check cap live samples.

Biggest culprit on lappies is the Win Graphic settings which overrides Nvidia Control center nowadays.

Odd that there is no difference running two 4K monitors but then I've had laptops that only used the onboard Intel card for external monitors makes me wonder.

10 minutes ago, PKBchief said:

running a hardware platform that far exceeds the minimum specs for your software.

Yes but well below the recommended 3070/3080 (now Robert running a 3080 is an idunno)

Has any monitoring software been used while it's running to check heat etc. (besides Windows built in which I don't find useful)

Just in case (likely one thing TS would suggest) if not already done.

Since it is a laptop make sure that all Chief executable files for 14 are set to high performance in Windows Graphic settings. Was not connected to extra monitors.

I just tested a few files on my laptop which has a 2070S (comparable to the RTX 4000). I had two plans, one layout, two elevations, and two renderings (one PBR RT, other standard) open. Layout and one file were originally X13 (plan 33MB) other was 14 but only 13 MB. Tested all views- Opened DBXs, adjusted some things, moved some, manipulated cameras

Usable just not snappy which is about what I'd expect. The smaller file was a tad faster.

In the end do what Dermot said :)