stager386

I guess I’m not asking my question the right way.  
 

I do not ever touch or choose anything for type of plan view. Ever.   I start a new plan and go.  
 

For whatever reason, some of my current plans have no drop down options.   Others do.  For no reason that I know of.  I start a new plan the same way every time. 
 

I just happened to notice this issue because I was trying to do an overlay with the as-built version and remodeled version of a project.  The as-built has no options for plan view.  The remodeled plan does.  And I don’t understand why they’d be different from each other.  
 

34 minutes ago, rwdozier said:

You can import plan views from another plan.

I edited my question.  I am trying to figure out what happened since I have never needed to import plan views.  Thanks!

Is there a reason that one of my plans is stuck with "none" for Plan View?  If I create a new plan right now, I have options, but for some reason that's not true with past plans I am referencing.  Those plans give me no option to change from "none" to anything else.

I am trying to figure out why I have no options on a particular plan, but I do on others.

It always says "none" here with no drop down options.   But on other plans I have the usual options. 

On 9/11/2021 at 6:12 PM, ionkin_DESIGN said:

Hi Kate,

 

I tried to resize the sectional and was able to do it without any issues.

 

Went to core catalog and placed sectional in the plan.

Clicked on sectional block and clicked on "Explode Architectural Block" at the bottom panel.

Modified each section as desired, then marquee selected all sectional sofa items and clicked on "Make Architectural Block" at the bottom panel.

The size in the camera view was updated instantly.

 

Let us know if you can do it on your end this way. 

Hi.. Thanks for the help. It's been 5 weeks so I am not sure which sectional I was working with. But what you're describing is what I normally do with core catalog items that may not need a whole lot of adjustment.   Looking back at my original post from August 12 and all the suggestions that were made, I think the Kravet sofa I was trying to modify simply wouldn't modify into exactly what I needed.

3 hours ago, ACADuser said:

Sectional attached.

Insert & explode to edit items

 

Perhaps the style is not close enough?

 

Sectional.calibz 248.29 kB · 1 download

Correct,  It's not close enough.

On 9/11/2021 at 6:12 PM, ionkin_DESIGN said:

Hi Kate,

 

I tried to resize the sectional and was able to do it without any issues.

 

Went to core catalog and placed sectional in the plan.

Clicked on sectional block and clicked on "Explode Architectural Block" at the bottom panel.

Modified each section as desired, then marquee selected all sectional sofa items and clicked on "Make Architectural Block" at the bottom panel.

The size in the camera view was updated instantly.

 

Let us know if you can do it on your end this way. 

Hi.. Thanks for the help. It's been 5 weeks so I am not sure which sectional I was working with. But what you're describing is what I normally do with core catalog items that may not need a whole lot of adjustment.   Looking back at my original post from August 12 and all the suggestions that were made, I think the Kravet sofa I was trying to modify simply wouldn't modify into exactly what I needed.

10 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

It may also be possible to get what you need straight from the manufacturer or their website if it is a current production model.

Yes, I have done that before with hard items like cabinets and wood furniture. Not as common with this type of piece. But an excellent suggestion, thank you!!

18 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

 

So it seems that for the Kravet Clemson products that are available in the library none of them are exactly what you are after ?

 

If I am understanding or at least getting close to what you are after is some fairly advanced symbol manipulation for Chief but likely it can be done with a little patience.  

 

I would suggest that you break one of the existing sofas down into it's components and then configure and bump them together like cabinets until the client actually decides what they want.

 

I think you could get everything but the rounded corner piece that way.

 

Likely best to set up a screen sharing secession with someone or have someone do it for you and make a recording so you can do it yourself next time.

Thank you very much for your time on this.  I am working on the components, and will hopefully make it work.  Thanks again!

14 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

Yes you need to edit the 3D model to change the 3D model unfortunately.  The cad block can be automatically generated from the revised 3D model but they are two almost completely different things so you may need to go back to your previous thread and resolve those issues.

 

 

YES !

I have only found one video on stretch zones/planes, pertaining to furniture and other 3D symbols.  Do you know of additional resources, preferably from x12 and later? 

2 minutes ago, robdyck said:

If we know the specific sizes you need, it may not be as difficult as you think.

I am using these sectional pieces.

And trying to create this config at the moment. I will have to create other options for the client as well, so I am trying to perfect my hand at stretch zones and planes.  There isn't a lot of info on that topic, in regard to editing 3D symbols.  

10 minutes ago, robdyck said:

@stager386

What was the size of the sofa that you need?

 

I need a variety of configurations for a sectional, for a client.    If the stretch planes/zones werent so wonky, I would just use that.

9 minutes ago, robdyck said:

The tool you initially referred to (Edit CAD Block) will ONLY edit the 2D representation of the symbol; it will NOT affect the 3D view of the symbol at all. If I'm correct, I think you were hoping that would be a simpler form of size adjustments than using stretch planes.

EXACTLY.  So, are you saying that what I am trying to do can't be done?

12 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

 

It's not a link to a video , and it isn't an arch. Block either , symbols and A.Blocks are different things....

CAD_Editing-2d-cad-blocks-assigned-to-3d-symbols_2021.pdf 147.85 kB · 0 downloads

 

Symbols are not easily edited , their CAD Blocks can be though... 

 

you haven't really said what you are trying to do though?

 

M.

I am trying to modify this sectional sofa, in terms of size and proportion.  I need to make it as close as possible to something my client saw at a store.  And it has lots of config options, so I am trying to make it as realistic as possible to what she is looking at in a real store. And she wants to see a variety of options for this.  None of the furniture in CA is exactly right.  At the moment, I need to remove one of the sections of the sectional and resize a different section of it, and put it back together.  I can do all of that when I edit it as a CAD block.  But then I can't save my changes in a way that it shows up in my camera view.  I checked all the layer sets too, to make sure I am not simply hiding my finished product from view.  But the original sectional shows up fine. So I am somehow changing the sofa during the editing process, and making it incompatible for the camera view.

6 minutes ago, stager386 said:

Thank you. I will view it right away!

Actually I looked at this video earlier today. It deals with architectural blocks. Hmmm....I am still plugging away at this. I know it's me, not the program. 

6 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

See if this KB Article helps....

 

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-00805/editing-2d-cad-blocks-assigned-to-3d-symbols.html

Thank you. I will view it right away!

3 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

 

Sorry I don't have that particular sofa in my library.  Was it a symbol in the first place or just a cad block ?

Its from the Manufacturer Catalogue: Kravet:Clemson

9 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

It seems like you may have just missed the last step.

 

 

 

Once you give it a name it should show up in the list of "Available CAD Blocks" and can be assigned to the original symbol.

I can't get it to the point that it becomes a symbol.

24 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

Ok so this is a 2D cad block of a symbol that you want to edit the looks of ?

 

You placed the symbol into plan view and then accessed the appropriate cad block from "Cad Block Management" and inserted that into your plan and then proceeded with steps 2 and 3 ?

 

If so you then need to re block the cad block and give it a recognizable name.

 

Then go to the symbol and reassign it as the new 2D cad block.

It doesn't show up in the camera view.  I am doing something wrong. I saved it in the library with a specific name. But when I pull it into the plan, after revisions, it still says "Cad Block 2" instead of the name I gave it.  It is not behaving like a symbol and I can't figure out how to make it a symbol.

Hello, and thanks for your help.  Let me clarify. And yes I have updated to X13.

1.  Choose sofa from library.

2. Edit the block because I have specific changes, not overall sizing to change.

3. New in x13 it takes me to a CAD Block window to make changes.

4. After changes and saving it, it only shows up in plan view.  I don't know if I need to convert it back to a symbol or what.

Hello.  I need to edit a sofa from the manufacturer catalogue, and I am trying to edit the block, rather than resize the symbol with stretch planes.   When I select it, I then go to the "edit cad block" icon on the bottom. I make my edits, and save it to the library, but it doesn't show up in the camera view. It is no longer a symbol at this point, so what am I doing wrong?

Thank you everyone!

I have been trying to get stretch planes/zones figured out for so long. It still seems cumbersome. Not sure what I am doing wrong.  And yes I have watched the one video I can find on the topic, many, many times. (Side note, searching for "stretch zones" help yields no results and "stretch planes" only gets help for things other than furniture)  I am trying to modify a sofa sectional, the Dane Sectional (end A and B, corner and armless sections)  I want to remove the feet and bring the skirt lower to the ground. I have managed to create the zones that make the current feet disappear and keep the piece in the same location relative to the ground, which means they are floating.  I can lower it, but I can't pull the top higher without the feet reappearing.  I need to make the pieces taller, and bring them closer to the ground and make the feet disappear.

1. How do I treat the bounding box dimensions when I am making changes? 

2. Can I resize one plane a couple different ways at a time? Assuming I can't, can I create a new symbol with my first changes and then make additional changes?

3. If creating the zones is a way to manipulate an area, why does the designated area show up with changes that I haven't made?  It seems like I am designating a zone to be able to stretch, but it doesn't wait for me to decide what I want to do, it makes the changes based on the zone to be stretched.  

4. When am I using the planes and not the zones?

Should I make dimension changes in the furniture spec box BEFORE making changes in the symbol spec?

Thank you!

29 minutes ago, MarkMc said:

Shelf Ceiling, wall between rooms is a pony wall with bottom of wall as a room divider, edit wall intersection layers at corner where tall wall meets side wall, then make side wall of lowered room is a partition wall (new type if not already in your list), will have to edit molding at corner.

Thank you.  Not understanding your path here. I don't want to waste your time, but if I could see what you did, as a zipped file plan, I can see the specific things you did.  But again, I don't want to waste your time.  Thanks for your help.

15 hours ago, solver said:

 

Thank you for this.  I am still missing something, and I can't figure out what that is.

15 hours ago, glennw said:

I am not quite understanding your problem.

Select the room with the lowered ceiling and check Shelf Ceiling and change the ceiling height for the room.

Thank you.  Maybe I wasn't clear that the lowered ceiling room cuts into the bigger room, but extends back.  Here is what happens when I do as suggested, in the first image. That ledge goes all the way to the back of the bedroom instead of stopping at the high wall.   If I extend the high wall to get the ledge I want, I end up creating a second room as seen in second image. I have played around with ceiling planes too.