HumbleChief

Found the Packrat feature of Drop Box but it is no longer available. They now offer Extended Version History which preserves up to one years of version history. http://www.backupreview.com/dropbox-discontinues-packrat/

I've got Drop Box on all 4 of my work/home computers and every Chief file gets updated to each computer whenever I turn that computer on. There's still a real danger that Drop Box can corrupt a file which will then get updated to all the computers as that same corrupted file but that's a risk I'm wiling to take to have my files backed up to essentially 5 different places - 4 computers and the Drop Box servers. Very happy with Drop Box overall. BTW I used Google Drive for a long time but it wasn't as user friendly to me. I still use it with one contractor client but only because he is computer averse and has a hard time changing technology.

Yusef, Are the wire frames simple 1/16" - 1/8" molding p-lines set at different heights and shapes?

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Not sure when this happened but now after entering the page range you don't have to click the tab key to activate the 'update' feature, you can simply click the update button without hitting tab.

I think you guys mostly had it right re: plant images. I'm thinking if anything changes it would good to not show plants in elevation view (no shadows/no color) so one wouldn't expect them to also show when sent to Layout as well. ..."using plot lines without shadows or color removes the textures and patterns completely from a view [but not the elevation view - my quote], the plants are being removed from your layout view, as the plants in your plan are image based objects." ..."I have passed information on to our developers so they can take a look at optimizing the behavior of image based objects in elevation views, and how those views are sent to layout in the future."

Looks like you're using X7 - it is REALLY helpful if post which version you are using.

Remember it does matter which version you are using. In X8 the structure tab in the Roof Plane dbx is where the framing spacing is set for the roof rafters, in X7 it is set in the framing tab.

Did you check in Roof Plane/Structure? There's also an edit all roof planes icon where you change every plane's structure.

Tried 3 times - update all fixed the shadows this morning.

First time for me since the initial X8 release. Haven;'t heard from Chief yet.

Sorry I put PDF in the post title. That's a pic of a Layout Page in Chief. No PDF involved.

Still there - cr@p.

SORRY - Nothing to do with PDF - that's just a simple LAYOUT page in Chief. Just a heads up to others, I'm on the latest update. I'll reboot and see if they go away.

Appreciate you taking the time to look at the plan again and I came to a very similar conclusion to yours quoted above. I also don't think using Vector Views to show plants is a good way to go and this situation was bit unique as I had a client over, we ran out of time and I had to leave the office but he had to leave with a B&W printout so I thrashed through the situation using my usual MO above without resolving it. I heard back form Chief but they really just had question about what I was trying to do so resolution from headquarters yet and sending live solves everything so it's not a deal breaker but am still curious..

Tried the color toggled on and any view had , indeed the plants shown in color, but it didn't change their behavior when sent to layout.

Thanks for your advice as always David but this issue is a bit more complex as the video shows. My template plan, using a Vector Camera, sent to Layout with plot lines only, the plants show going a bit contrary to the advice above? Now with shadows on the Plants show in Layout.

Probably good advice.

If I turn on shadows the plants show - they are transparent but they show - or maybe just their shadows? Still experimenting and waiting for the DOH moment when headquarters e-mails with the super simple thing I'm missing..

The weirdest thing is my template plan works fine, the plan I posted does not.

Check the video if you have time - I know they are not easy to watch all the way through but it shows a few different settings and results. 1. The plants will display in color with color when possible, but won't show in Layout. 2. That will show the Layout in color but I want just Plot Lines, and when turning off color the plants disappear/reappear with the color on/off. 3. Tried many many different iterations but no go.

Thanks David, that makes perfect sense but I can send the plants to a Vector Elevation view and the plants show fine - until I send to Layout. It's a long video above but it clearly shows plants showing in the Vector Elevation view and it clearly shows plants showing in the Layout using my template plan, but not in the plan in question. Still a stumper but I can always use live views when I need the view to print again. Just a bit confusing. I did try taking another elevation view, instead of the saved camera and it seemed to behave OK but not consistently.

Tired is a couple different ways. Still won't show in layout but thanks for the reply.

Just checked my template plan and sent 3 different vector elevation views and the plants showed in each view. Still think you might have a good point but can't figure out what's different between plans

Thanks Michael and good point and a good chance I've got a setting or my expectations wrong but I can't figure out why it seems unique to this plan? My template plan seems to show the plants OK using the plot line setting. I will check that again to see what I might be missing and thanks for your time and insight.