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Steve, thanks for posting the video, it was very insightful to the problems were all having with X11. You have come up with some solutions that were great. Yes, once seeing what you were talking about in the video Im familiar with this method and if you have the correct textures to apply like the course brick it can look great. My only issue with chief is these inconsistencies that you had pointed out really need to be fixed. If users have to run around altering the vector texture and changing the profile shape to fill in the gaps chief creates at the bottom of the sill, it makes the software less professional. Im sure chief will fix these items given its the beta version but small instances like this that create extra work for users makes new users experience chief and say its not as professional of software compared to revit. I obviously like Chief given Ive been using it since version 9 but these little kinks should be worked out. Thanks for giving us a few ideas of workarounds until chief updates X11 and fixes some of these problems.

I guess its optimal to evaluate different ways to do this. Back when, the only way you could really see a good 3d brick sill was creating a 3d symbol and turning it into a molding. Im unclear how a molding profile is able to accomplish this 3d accuracy using only a profile. Looks like I might want to do some digging into different molding and profile options. Tommy, if you care to share more about how you created it and perhaps your experience using molding profiles vs. 3d symbols turned 3d moldings that might be helpful for any of us not familiar. Thanks!

Tommy, if your using a molding profile, how does the molding look in 3d? Does it have the brick detail in the sill? If so how did you go about creating this? I followed chiefs tutorial back in the day using a brick and mortar and turned it into a 3d molding symbol.

Yes, mine was a 3d symbol brick sill that was turned into a 3d molding that was applied to the window sill. Hopefully this will get remedied in the next release.

Tech support got back to me and its a 3d issue with the 3d moldings apparently. This is why it worked in X10 and below but X11 having issues with 3d sills. Eric, heres the example Im talking about. Same exact 3d molding in X10 and then X11. I even went and built a brand new sill in X11, thinking it might have been an old molding issue but it has the same results as seen here. The molding featured in the X10 picture is what Im trying to get in X11. All previous versions from X10 back the molding has always worked with the same results as the X10 picture. Hopefully the X11 full release update will remedy this problem. I know you can manually go to each window and probably do a molding polyline to make the sill look similar but it will take a lot more tinkering.

Thanks Dermot and Nigel for working with me on learning what this bug was about. Curious, how did you and Nigel forced the plan open without crashing chief? Nigel sent me a copy of the plan altered with the auto roofs off and it opened ok. My issue was even if I knew that was what was crashing X11 I still wouldnt have been able to even get into chief to open the plan and turn off auto roofs. Reason I ask is this might be a handy work around should chief freeze like that again.

Eric, I posted several pictures of the brick sill molding starting from post one from page one to page two with updated pictures. I didnt post a plan because I figured it wasnt a plan issue it was an X11 issue as the sills have been working fine from like X3-X10. To alleviate any questions that it might be the molding, I started a completely fresh 3d molding within X11 the same way I constructed the old brick sill molding and the results were the same, the molding didnt turn out in X11.

Thanks Eric. I was able to send the file in to Chief. I originally was asking about locating the archive files because I was going to go around the newest messed up file and try and work with an older one and avoid whatever was making problems for X11. Since Dermot recommended me to send the whole file in I figured looking for the archive wasnt important at this point. So hopefully I will hear back next week what went wrong with the file.

Tommy, I just remade a new brick sill in X11 and had the same results. The 3d sill molding worked ok in X10 but not in X11. I sent it into chief and they too were having the same results I was and are looking into it further. Are the brick moldings your using able to be used by selecting the 3d custom molding from the sill dbx in the window profile? Im curious to how yours is working and mine is not.

Glen, I wanted to go outside chief to access the archives because going within chief, even just selecting the file to open would lock up chief and youd have to force chief to shutdown and restart just to have it function. Joe, Im using an alienware desktop with two monitors. Dermot, I called tech support and talked with Nigel and was able to send the file into you guys. Hopefully next week we can find out why that file is so strange. Thanks for everyones input, I appreciate it and have a great weekend!

Eric, Yes I knew X11 is beta thats why I am working on something less pressing but still would like to work on it. Im familiar with the preference folders once your in the plan file but what about accessing archives outside the plan? Is there away to find archives on the c drive without even going into chief?

I was working on a plan in X11 that started slowly locking up, meaning I would change the location of a wall and then it would basically do the hour glass thinking type thing and wouldnt ever stop and force you to use task manager to shut chief down. It worked for awhile but the frequency of this happening increased to the point where once you opened X11 and selected the plan it would just sit and think about opening it but the progress bar would never get to the point of opening it up. This isnt a project that must be finished now but I did want to work on it. I tried opening X10 and of course that didnt work because it was already worked on in X11. Where in the C drive can I access archives where I can select an older version of the plan and either try opening the older version in X10 or try another file that was from a few days ago to find out if that will work in X11? I was thinking about just emailing tech support but dont think the entire plan will fit in the space required and I cant even open the file to erase a lot of the stuff to make the file smaller. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

Hmm interesting. Well I messaged tech support to see if its a computer thing or maybe my symbol is outdated and time for me to make another one. I'll see what they say.

Thanks Glenn. Yeah I saw that I just meant most these complicated roof types require a lot of custom roof planes (or at least I always thought so). I guess Im having lots of issues with these because I don't do these roof styles often so Im not as familiar with chiefs different roof tools to accomplish this. Thanks for the additional info, I will make sure auto roofs are off.

Tommy, has your brick ledge changed the way it looks in 3d in x11? The brick ledge posted above is the same one I used back when I first started this post over a year ago. Im not sure why it doesn't even appear to be the same thing just a cement block for a ledge. Im just trying to figure out what happened to it all.

Thanks everyone for the input. Tommy and Chris thanks for offering the video help. That video you posted Chris was very interesting in how she was able to accomplish the entire roof within the automatic roof dbx. Everything Ive seen up till this point has been using custom roof planes and raising up roof lines etc. I will have to go try out some of these methods from the video. Thanks again for all the help!

Thanks for the reply Glenn. Did you manually accomplish this manually or in combination with the wall and roof dbx?

Has anyone noticed any changes with your library of sills and moldings in X11? I posted some pictures from past versions of chief above but the same molding looks nothing like it in X11. Tommy, did you create yours custom in chief?

Does anyone know how to create this curved roof that starts on the second floor and integrates into the curved eave on the first floor? I found this example on chiefs samples gallery on the website of the closest thing I can find to what Im looking for. I went on the tutorial videos and saw many videos on curved eaves and rooflines but nothing on how to get second and first floor roof lines to combine into one. Any ideas? This is just a quick example box that I created to demonstrate what Im dealing with now. Thanks!

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Thanks everyone for the replies. Joe, thanks for posting those pictures as that made it 100% more understandable as Ive never had to mess with any preference plans for the last 16 years using chief so this was a new one. I have made a new plan template for myself but never had to mess with the default one. Thanks for taking the extra time to post those pictures they sure helped me a lot!

Yeah I cant seem to find what the name is for the default x11. I guess Ill just reset the whole thing since its still new and hopefully it will just be the regular out of the box stuff.

Thanks for the replies. Previously in all my chief versions when I went to click on new plan it was chiefs default new plan and I liked it that way. Whenever I started a new plan I could use my template by searching under new plan template. Problem is now the "new plan" under chiefs menu is a template from my x9 and I don't know how it got there. So if Im looking to reset it to whatever chief X11 new plan is how do I do that?

Does anyone know how to reset X11 to just have its new default plan selected when you select "new plan"? This is the first time Ive installed a new version of Chief and it pulled forward a new plan template from X9 whenever I select new plan. Thanks in advance!