Existing, Demolition, and New Construction Phases

[SHCanada2]

Why is the slatting on the ADU vertical for the fireplace but horizontal on the render:

 

 

[SHCanada2]

what is the ~2'x3' rectangle in the lower left of the adu? I dont see anything on the render

[SHCanada2]

same for front elevation, what is the horizontal rectangle above the garage. it is above the plate so I assume it is not delineating the plate. The render does not look to show anything there

[Kreg_Joue]

There is a lot more wrong with this plan then what you are pointing out. I just cannot believe he is this unaware of his pour drawing and structural skills. 

[scottkendall]

39 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said:

Why is the slatting on the ADU vertical for the fireplace but horizontal on the render:

 

 

Because the render was never updated. 

[scottkendall]

38 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said:

what is the ~2'x3' rectangle in the lower left of the adu? I dont see anything on the render

It’s the bbq and it may not have been in the rendering. 

[scottkendall]

1 hour ago, SHCanada2 said:

I'll be the contrarian, I see the value in phasing as I have had to go back and fix mistakes found later..on both files

There is not both files it is one file.

 

1 hour ago, SHCanada2 said:

are your level lines all templates? I see a 42" level line where there appears to be no railing

Yea level lines are just tempered but there show me where as you can see the rail in all 4 elevations it does carry threw the entire elevation though. 

1 hour ago, SHCanada2 said:

 

is this two sections back to back? 

 

it looks like your elevation does not match your renders?: there looks to be a 5' wide outcrop above the man door in the middle fo the elevation:

 

is that something for the lights?

 

I dont see it on the render. or did I miss something

The projection and the lights were added during construction the renderings were not updated. 

[Steve_Nyhof]

@scottkendall  After downloading your plan and looking at it, I am really at a lose of words. I really have no words other than I feel really sorry for those who use your plans to build from (if that ever happened), and hope you are not charging more than $1000 for them. I wouldn't give you $100 for that plan.

 

If you came into my office and put that plan on my desk, I would look at it for only a second, and then look up and into your eyes with a bit of a question on my face... like, are you kidding me? And I am being very kind in saying that.

 

I strongly recommend that you open some good "Professional House Plan Drawing" books by known Architects and Designers. I talk with young people all the time who want to go to school for Interior Design or Architecture, and tell them if they can, go to work for a builder or framing crew so that you can get at least a year of hands on training, working with the people you will later be designing for. They won't be shy to tell you when you fail. People that do the work are often more highly respected. 

 

[scottkendall]

47 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said:

same for front elevation, what is the horizontal rectangle above the garage. it is above the plate so I assume it is not delineating the plate. The render does not look to show anything there

There is a projection there it was also added during construction at the owners request. 

[basketballman]

1 hour ago, Kreg_Joue said:

OMG! I just downloaded your plan and looked at your main floor. Do you just put your walls wherever you like and then run your dimensions and call it a day? Does Rivet have tools that snap or that you can size things to exact dimensions? It's not even one thing, it is everything!!  Do the poured wall guys and framers not tell you that your plans look like a 6 year old drew them and teach you about standards and how to save the home owner money? I know now why you are looking for work. Honestly, I cannot believe this. There is absolutely nothing impressive about your work. I'm sure my post will get taken down, but after all you talked about I was wondering what your work would look like. 

 

If I were you I would take that link down and work on your standard span skills. Take a drafting class. And who dimensions there house anyway to the exterior of the siding? So the foundation guys and framers all need to subtract your siding thickness to find their dimensions? Really!? This plan alone would convince me, especially after have read some of the content you wrote that you may be good at software, but you are just pulling our legs on being a designer... right? You are hear just trolling us aren't you? 

 

 

I think it would be a good idea to get on the job site and swing a hammer. Seriously. This is very embarrassing. I now feel dumber for having listened to you brag throughout this whole thread about how amazing you are. 

 

 

 

" In addition to dimensions that are to the wrong places; what tradespeople want to deal with fractions but especially to the 16th of an inch and who dimensions to the sides of openings and not to the centers ?? "

  Hate to be using your drawings if I was a tradesperson trying to construct anything  .. Boo !!!

[Kreg_Joue]

21 minutes ago, basketballman said:

what tradespeople want to deal with fractions but especially to the 16th of an inch and who dimensions to the sides of openings and not to the centers ??

 

Exactly! I have seen some pretty lame plans in my day, but I honestly believe this is designed without any training or understanding of the trades. How has no one told him that they want the sizing to be more nominal, like a 24'-0" garage, or 66'-0" or 66'-6" overall dimension vs 66'-5 7/16" - what is that all about?

 

When I see that with a Chief users plan uploaded to the forum, I know they do not know how to use snaps or some of the common tools to position the walls exactly where you want them. It tell me that the user does not know how to use the software.

 

I want to see one of his 10,000 sq.ft. plans. - Like it exists - LOL

[SHCanada2]

1 hour ago, Kreg_Joue said:

OMG! I just downloaded your plan and looked at your main floor. Do you just put your walls wherever you like and then run your dimensions and call it a day? Does Rivet have tools that snap or that you can size things to exact

I think those are overall. he has a specific framing plan, but it also has odd numbers:

[Kreg_Joue]

1 minute ago, SHCanada2 said:

I think those are overall. he has a specific framing plan, but it also has odd numbers:

 

Yes, I did see that when I went further down the plan, but like you say, it has odd numbers - odd, meaning a typical Designer or Architect who cares about how they come across as a professional, works to fine tune their plan right down to the placing of the dimensions, not overlapping section markers, etc. The end result should be a work of art. Something you could frame and hang on a wall.

[SHCanada2]

38 minutes ago, scottkendall said:

There is not both files it is one file.

I know, what I am saying as I see the value in revit phasing, because in CA if I find a problem withe the as built, I have to go back and change the as built file  as well as the proposed file.

 

I can see if you did go up against rene in a contest, it might be more of a battle of the templates than anything else.

 

[Kreg_Joue]

I did find this house..

arzumanbrothers.com/property/4146-saint-clair-ave-studio-city-ca-91604/

[SHCanada2]

46 minutes ago, basketballman said:

who dimensions to the sides of openings and not to the centers ??

someone who has oddball sized windows/doors.

 

If i was a framer or cribber, I'd rather have the dimensions to be framed to, personally, not the center of openings. Centres just means the framer needs to do the math

[SHCanada2]

7 minutes ago, Kreg_Joue said:

I did find this house..

arzumanbrothers.com/property/4146-saint-clair-ave-studio-city-ca-91604/

that does have the projection above the front man door, but not above the garage

[scottkendall]

1 minute ago, SHCanada2 said:

that does have the projection above the front man door, but not above the garage

They asked me to add one to the drawing maybe after the fact they decided not to build it no idea. 

[Kreg_Joue]

5 minutes ago, SHCanada2 said:

someone who has oddball sized windows/doors.

 

If i was a framer or cribber, I'd rather had the dimensions to be framed to, personally, not the center of openings. Centres just means the framer needs to do the math

 

I agree, but common practice is to the center of the openings because in many cases the window and door brands and ROs are not known. 

[scottkendall]

1 minute ago, Kreg_Joue said:

 

I agree, but common practice is to the center of the openings because in many cases the window and door brands and ROs are not known. 

For 15 years, I dimension to the center of the windows and doors then one day I had a framer tell me it makes my life easier if you show the measurements to the rough opening of the window so I changed.

[SHCanada2]

52 minutes ago, scottkendall said:

The projection and the lights were added during construction the renderings were not updated. 

I guess its not a click of a button then to update everything?

 

That is one thing I love about CA. 99% of what I do gets updated on the plan set(layout its called). I click the button to update everything, and I'm done. I don't have to go checking for mismatched things

[SHCanada2]

20 minutes ago, Kreg_Joue said:

I agree, but common practice is to the center of the openings because in many cases the window and door brands and ROs are not known.

you kind of have to know the details if you are going to dimension properly, otherwise you end up either over estimating the space needed or the finishing carpenter is ripping door trim behind a door where the door is adjacent to a wall.

 

I've pondered this a lot. in my view perhaps the plans should stipulate the RO used. And if by chance the builder is going to use something oddball, he can get it sized to fit. or ask for updated plans. RO here for windows is +1"

 

I experimented one time and gave a framing plan as well with RO. Didn't hear back one way or another

 

[Kreg_Joue]

I tell the builder to take one set of printed plans to the window and door provider and ask them to put the ROs on the plan. That plan is given to the framer to build the house. The liability lies with the window and door provider. If I draw a plan for a client they may take it to 4 different builders who each use different brands. I stopped adding the ROs to my plans decades ago.

[SHCanada2]

1 hour ago, scottkendall said:

It’s the bbq and it may not have been in the rendering. 

hmm, why doesnt it show on the South elevation then? Layer on for one but not the other maybe. EDIT: NVM I see it way out there. it was probably clipped out in the other elevation

 

but this other thing which looks like furniture or something is there on the right.

 

dont see anything in the render

 

 

 

 

 

[SHCanada2]

12 minutes ago, Kreg_Joue said:

I tell the builder to take one set of printed plans to the window and door provider and ask them to put the ROs on the plan. That plan is given to the framer to build the house

what happens if the RO needs to be larger and that impacts where the casing goes. For instance if you have a 24" W specified, but say the window is some sort of odd window frame needing a larger RO. Will the casing always be able to be attached at 24"+ 3/16 reveal. If not, and say it needs to be be at 3/4" beyond the 24" on either side. You would not be able to frame as close to a wall. The framer would need to "know" that in order to move the RO away from the wall and not split the difference

 

I've seen a lot of ripped casing in my day...on smaller houses