gable over porch

[Reiter]

This is a screen shot of my problem.  I have modified it with different colors in my attempt to show you what I am up against. So far, I have had lots of people try to help and suggest videos (all of which I have watched but watched again when recommended). I have yet to find one that addresses my situation. The roof overbuild video is only for covering an exterior room and not one that cuts into my existing roof. I have done that exercise and it’s easy to do.

 

What I’m trying to draw is a gable roof which will cover the porch. The hip roof currently covers half of the porch and is represented by the pink line. It is the room divider I placed so the hip roof would be generated when I selected auto-build roof over that area. The blue lines represent the roof plane over the house and the front is the hip side and the left side is the gable side. The current roof is open underneath where it is over the porch which is why I had to use the room dividers to force the software to build the roof plane.

 

What I am trying to do and have invested in over 100 hours trying to draw/learn, is how to build a gable roof to cover this entire porch. This roof will have a higher facia elevation and will allow the existing hip roof to tuck under the new gable. I have attached a screenshot of what I want it to look like.

#Ryan Gardner says it can easily be done and even have the software auto-build it. As I type this from my day job I’m wondering if maybe I need to create breaks on the hip wall and label the area where the exterior wall (red line) only where the porch is and give it gable status?

 

I challenge anyone, (ok really at this point I’m just begging) to explain if this can be done with settings to build this roof with auto build when I generate roofs or if this is a mandatory manual build. I NEED to learn how to do this as I have another area of deck on the back of the house on one end of the plan and another covered deck which will be an extension of the vaulted ceiling over a living room which also will be meeting up with another roof in a similar manner. (I’m dreading that one at this point too)

Either way can you please point me in the right direction for the training that will allow me to learn how to do this or explain it to me. Please bear in mind most of you have forgotten how good you are at working with this software and assume I know what you know. Most of you have a 40-gig hard drive brain and I have one floppy disk. I've done a lot of building, and I could have gotten my tools out and built this thing faster than I can draw it. 

 

[Reiter]

Eric, 

Sorry to have not responded sooner. What usually happens is I go to apply something new that's been suggested and end up running into other problems that lead me down another path. It's been one step forward and 3 steps back. I've encountered so many problems with this whole plan that I've had to scrap them and start over. On the FB page the reply's come in so fast that I end up losing track of the answers and even have trouble going back and finding them. I'm already starting to feel like the little boy who cried wolf. I don't want to frustrate the people who can help me by feeling like your help has fallen on deaf ears. I had another user who told me about this page and said if I'm lucky Solver will answer my questions, so I can't afford to blow it getting help from you.

 

In your solution above I'm guessing the inset wall has to be marked as a gable. Since my plan is at a corner and not walled on both sides like this example would I be correct to say I need to build a wall on that non-corner side and make it invisible?  Also how did you get the roof to extend out over the porch with no walls under that area or is this a case where there is a wall for the build but that it has been broken and made invisible. If I have assumed correctly that the roof was generated from what I have described in my assumptions how did the two planes of the roof get connected? Did auto-build do it or did you have to utilize the connect plane feature. 

It's my hope that once I figure out how to get this drawn the framing build will be correct.

 

As for slowing down, did I mention I probably have at least 100 hours in trying to learn this. Does this software have a progressive training portion that brings a newbie along or is it only the videos on different subject and written word. Not to drone on but I have suffered my whole life with reading comprehension. If you don't suffer from it your blessed and sometimes it gets me down. Thats why I tend to gravitate to the videos. It's not because I'm lazy.

 

One last thing that has me working with some urgency. I designed on 3D Home Architect and built single handedly my first home and it was spectacular and where my talents shine. I sold that home and have moved my wife and I into this house which needs all the changes I am drawing with this software. I fist drew the existing home and now working on the changes and additions. My wife asks me every time she walks by " So how is it going?" and in the beginning I got things drawn with decent progress. Then in my collision repair business our area was struck with a county wide softball sized hailstorm which damaged my business and home as well. After 27 straight 16hour days with not a single day off we finally are back to normal-ish workdays. After a month away from drawing I had become rusty. These roofs have given trouble. The biggest problem is you don't know what you don't know. I could be spending hours trying to make the system do something that it can't but haven't a clue. The program I used years ago didn't do roofs at all so there's not any carryover experience.

 

Sorry, that was so long but I help a lot of people within my career choice and serve on several technical college boards and I always like to know some background on whom I'm helping. 

-Adam

[JKEdmo]

1 hour ago, Reiter said:

100 hours in trying to learn this

CAD and BIM software can be complex and trying.  I've been doing this since the early 90s and I always felt that it takes a minimum of 6 months to get familiar with a new CAD program.  Longer if it's 3D.

 

I bought Chief a little over a year ago and I finally feel it's starting to gel with me.  I hope you persevere.  Keep your expectations reasonable and stick with it!

 

Good luck,

Jim

 

[Reiter]

Eric,

Thank you for making that video and I'm leaving work and looking forward to working on it when I get home.

The difference between your example and my project is that the wall to the left of the porch is a gable on the end with the facia being the same on both sides of the porch. It may not make any difference as long as I can make the room.

I think what will help the most is that room extending into the house. Without the hip on the left side causing conflict may even allow me to go deep enough to fix the ceiling and those little pie shaped areas may be gone.

-Adam 

[Reiter]

Eric, 

I followed your instructions however at the 40 second mark in your video you are mentioning how there are no walls inside the room created for generating the porch roof.  This is where my plan differs from your video.

 Since you created your video based off of one of my screen shots it may have been a picture of my house which didn’t show you the gable roof on the end v/s the hip roof your video has. In order to make my plan form the hip side of the roof that cantilevers over the porch I had to draw an invisible wall across the porch and back to the house to make a room out of that area.

 The first two pictures are of the house and the working plan view with the invisible walls I used to make the roof over the smaller porch which matches my house. The third image is after adding the walls like your video shows but over the top of my existing invisible walls and making each room a porch as well as matching them with the eye dropper.

The 4^th image was the results. I imagine with the other invisible walls required to build the correct roof I’m starting the system just doesn’t know what to work off of.  I tried everything I could think of to try to manipulate the roof by breaking my invisible walls inside the room and making it a gable wall, deleting it from the inside of the room and even though you said the outside wall on the porch was the only one needing the gable setting after the roof failed I tried making the opposite wall inside the home a gable wall also but with no success.

Is there any kind of setting that will direct the software to generate both of these roofs or in light of this information a manual build is now the only way.

-Adam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reiter]

Eric,

I'm reading up on roof polylines and hoping this will alow me to possibly build one roof  or more such as my issue on different datum planes, I'm not finished reading but wanted you to know Im exploring other options.

-Adam

[SNestor]

If you post your plan file...someone will give you the "exact" solution. Without a plan...we are all guessing. 

 

To upload a plan...close the plan and from explorer (windows) drag the file into the post. You may need to zip the file...